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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..
Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..
Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
reply to post by macman
I think they are saying the whole system broke.. Also who do you think pays off the gov?
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by DJM8507
Wonderful notion, except we are talking about humans here. We deal with the world as it actually is rather the hypothetical world where all people are equally motivated and productive. We don't live in the world you envision. That world only exists among those who enjoy the fruits of Capitalism as they sit inside Ivy Covered walls.
We however live in a country where our poor are among the worlds wealthiest people and yet they complain and demand handouts while refusing to follow the examples of those who succeed. Then as they watch others with the exact same tool set they have do well, while languishing in their own self pity demand the fruits of others work. The idea they should work hard, study hard or be productive angers them as they scheme how to get the government to take from others and give to them.
Half the earths population lives on under two dollars a day. Not because of anything the productive countries and peoples have done, but because of their own cultures. The oldest societies do the worst of all, even though they have had far longer to develop. The former cradle of science and math chose themselves to embrace a culture of hate and have for over a millennium slaughtered one another over differences in how they interpret their religion.
In our culture even people who choose to do nothing in their lives never see a day where they go hungry unless it is by personal choice. We are the most giving people on the planet. The segment of our society who are the least giving are those from the fringe Left who demand the most and give the least. Strangely enough without fanfare the fringe Left also became the richest segment of our society while complaining bitterly about the evils of the Capitalism that lined their own pockets with gold.
Our Celebrities who themselves become fabulously wealthy through the most Capitalistic of all trades yell the loudest and pretend to represent the other side. But then they are entertainers who specialize in deception are they not? If they were for real, they would themselves share all they earn equally with those who clean up after them. Who is the most deserving, those who amass extreme wealth by simply playing in front of a camera or those who through work and innovation build huge companies that employ tens of thousands of people in high paying jobs? An yet the Left heaps its praise on the least important people in our society and cares not about their in your face hypocrisy.
The idea of the utopian society you envision has been put forth by some of the most evil people in mans history to lure people into what amounts to slavery. Marxist and Communist ideals have resulted in massive suffering and death and those who push that agenda always end up being among the most evil to ever walk the planet. Yet idealist simply ignore history and lie themselves into believing the reason it does not work is because they were not in charge. They convince themselves it will end differently if only they were to be the ones to control things. They ignore the true nature of the human animal and the fact if you give us something for nothing and we have no reason to get out of bed in the morning, we always self-destruct.
For now, we being who and what we are, Capitalism remains our best chance at a reasonably good life. Unlike the alternatives Capitalism allows for personal freedom while Socialism and Communism require complete government control. Control by elitists like Obama and the Alinsky crowd who would live in Ivory Towers while touting what Saints they in fact are. Who exclude themselves from the rich and powerful they claim to hate while all the while living in wealth and luxury.
We should leave the imaginary world of philosophers to the grossly overpaid Professors of truth in prestigious Universities, where they are insulated from the true nature of man and can pretend to understand a world they know nothing about. Those that can, do.
Originally posted by GringoViejo
Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
But but but, OP , they are already taking my stuff, and I have no say. They are taking it and giving it to the already rich bankers because they made a mistake. The bankers aren't hurting, infact they have given themselves nice big bonuses. Yet here I am, indebted for the rest of my days for something I didn't take part in, or have a choice about.
Apathy doesn't absolve you of responsibility. You did make a choice, to not get involved in your government. Claiming that you had no say is an outright lie.
Your problem is in DC, not NY.edit on 1-11-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Seventhdoor
Fine, no cap on wealth but a sliding scale of taxes where the rich pay far more than the poor.
So by the time you are making 100 million a year, your taxes are up to like 80%.
Thats within the constitution right? Who needs more than 20 million a year anyways? What kind of selfish jerk would cry because they aren't making enough wealth to live on for centuries?
At 1 billion a year your taxes are up to 90%. I mean that still leaves 100 MILLION dollars a year! Thats insane wealth, thats buying yachts and having whatever you want.
At 10 billion a year your taxes are at 95% Thats FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. I don't know of anyone who is making this kind of wealth anyways, but still thats insane wealth if it were to ever happen.
At 100 Billion a year you pay 99% taxes and anything above 100 billion stays at 99%. Thats still an income of 1 Billion a year, so much wealth you could live for 10,000 years or more on it. You could build a small nation. You could literally have your own little standing army.
These taxes are also not all "government owned" taxes either. If these earnings come from any affiliation with any corporation they are sent back into the corporation not to make improvements on the business itself, but to do things like improve benefits, give raises, and so on. In fact the money goes first to the bottom. No "trickle down" rather think of it as improving the foundations of ones business. People at the bottom get bonuses, or raises, better health care, and so on, and the wealth trickles up back towards those who already have wealth.
If your earnings come from private investments then the same portion of it goes directly into things like supporting social security, medicare, and other public services.
Granted I don't know how such a sliding scale would really work in terms of exact amounts, but you get the idea.edit on 2011/11/1 by Seventhdoor because: words
Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..
Originally posted by pianopraze
1. Return to Constitutional government
2. End the federal reserve PRIVATE bank and print money interest free.
3. End the TSA.
4. Bring all our troops home for DEFENSE, ending all wars.
5. End all foreign aid.
6. Uphold all systems like Social Security.
7. Repeal the Patriot act.
8. End all tyrannical presidential edicts...
9. Cut our out of control government down to a smaller size.
10. Get real financial reform passed that limits corporate control.
wait... I might have heard someone who thinks like this also...edit on 1-11-2011 by pianopraze because: typo
Originally posted by mugger
What I need from my government is to quit meddling in everything,