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You say you got a real solution? Well, you know, we'd all love to see the plan. (OWS)

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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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There can be ONLY ONE PLAN.

Send in mounted Police wielding nightsticks and water cannon and drive this OWS filth off the streets and into the backs of the prison cells for a good long time.

C'mon boys, smack a some heads in. It really is the only sort of language that these OWS bullyboys seem to understand.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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Instead of being complicated, OWS should just demand that corporate cronyism of all forms end. No bailouts, no special tax treatments, no questionable loans.

Let failure corporations fail. It almost sounds like real capitalism.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..


This is extreme self-delusion. OWS are not a protest group but just the politics of envy. THey are doing NOTHING to changge any system, they are just in Wall St to "occupy" it, a word which means to seize and deny to any others for any other use. These folk are no different from schoolyard bullies and it is high time that they should be steamrollered flat by the authorities without the slightest hint of mercy.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..


No. They are not marching on Govt. They seem to march for more Govt.

BIG difference.

OWS does not stand for me.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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I think they are saying the whole system broke.. Also who do you think pays off the gov?



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
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I think they are saying the whole system broke.. Also who do you think pays off the gov?


If that is the case, then the protests would be at Govt centers as well.

Yet, they are not.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Oh, so you are saying wall street and corporations dont pay off the gov?

Also, didnt they have occupy the FED?
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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Wonderful notion, except we are talking about humans here. We deal with the world as it actually is rather the hypothetical world where all people are equally motivated and productive. We don't live in the world you envision. That world only exists among those who enjoy the fruits of Capitalism as they sit inside Ivy Covered walls.

We however live in a country where our poor are among the worlds wealthiest people and yet they complain and demand handouts while refusing to follow the examples of those who succeed. Then as they watch others with the exact same tool set they have do well, while languishing in their own self pity demand the fruits of others work. The idea they should work hard, study hard or be productive angers them as they scheme how to get the government to take from others and give to them.

Half the earths population lives on under two dollars a day. Not because of anything the productive countries and peoples have done, but because of their own cultures. The oldest societies do the worst of all, even though they have had far longer to develop. The former cradle of science and math chose themselves to embrace a culture of hate and have for over a millennium slaughtered one another over differences in how they interpret their religion.

In our culture even people who choose to do nothing in their lives never see a day where they go hungry unless it is by personal choice. We are the most giving people on the planet. The segment of our society who are the least giving are those from the fringe Left who demand the most and give the least. Strangely enough without fanfare the fringe Left also became the richest segment of our society while complaining bitterly about the evils of the Capitalism that lined their own pockets with gold.

Our Celebrities who themselves become fabulously wealthy through the most Capitalistic of all trades yell the loudest and pretend to represent the other side. But then they are entertainers who specialize in deception are they not? If they were for real, they would themselves share all they earn equally with those who clean up after them. Who is the most deserving, those who amass extreme wealth by simply playing in front of a camera or those who through work and innovation build huge companies that employ tens of thousands of people in high paying jobs? An yet the Left heaps its praise on the least important people in our society and cares not about their in your face hypocrisy.

The idea of the utopian society you envision has been put forth by some of the most evil people in mans history to lure people into what amounts to slavery. Marxist and Communist ideals have resulted in massive suffering and death and those who push that agenda always end up being among the most evil to ever walk the planet. Yet idealist simply ignore history and lie themselves into believing the reason it does not work is because they were not in charge. They convince themselves it will end differently if only they were to be the ones to control things. They ignore the true nature of the human animal and the fact if you give us something for nothing and we have no reason to get out of bed in the morning, we always self-destruct.

For now, we being who and what we are, Capitalism remains our best chance at a reasonably good life. Unlike the alternatives Capitalism allows for personal freedom while Socialism and Communism require complete government control. Control by elitists like Obama and the Alinsky crowd who would live in Ivory Towers while touting what Saints they in fact are. Who exclude themselves from the rich and powerful they claim to hate while all the while living in wealth and luxury.

We should leave the imaginary world of philosophers to the grossly overpaid Professors of truth in prestigious Universities, where they are insulated from the true nature of man and can pretend to understand a world they know nothing about. Those that can, do.



Very Well written, although I must say you have made generalities that are as idealistic in nature as anything I could expound upon in my desires for such a utopia.

It seems the issues you brought up nearly all boil down to the primitive inherent greed within the human species, regardless of what social structure is adopted or put into place. Every system run by humans seems to find a way to murder millions in the pursuit of wealth and power for an elite class, Capitalism not being an exception.

Greed is the biggest factor in the failure of Governments and Businesses. It is the drive that creates a machine that exploits human capital for the sole purpose of concentrating real wealth into the hands of a tiny elite class for the sole purpose of maintaining a perpetual power structure.

I do thank you for your response.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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1. Return to Constitutional government
2. End the federal reserve PRIVATE bank and print money interest free.
3. End the TSA.
4. Bring all our troops home for DEFENSE, ending all wars.
5. End all foreign aid.
6. Uphold all systems like Social Security.
7. Repeal the Patriot act.
8. End all tyrannical presidential edicts...
9. Cut our out of control government down to a smaller size.
10. Get real financial reform passed that limits corporate control.

wait... I might have heard someone who thinks like this also...
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo

Originally posted by AmatuerSkyWatcher
But but but, OP , they are already taking my stuff, and I have no say. They are taking it and giving it to the already rich bankers because they made a mistake. The bankers aren't hurting, infact they have given themselves nice big bonuses. Yet here I am, indebted for the rest of my days for something I didn't take part in, or have a choice about.


Apathy doesn't absolve you of responsibility. You did make a choice, to not get involved in your government. Claiming that you had no say is an outright lie.

Your problem is in DC, not NY.
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But but but, OP, I elected my representitve to do that for me, whilst I go to work and provide for my family. However my representative decided to take it upon himself, along with his colleagues, to give my money away.

So therefore, my voice will be directed at those that took the money, and those that gave it (as they are both in cahoots scratching one anothers backs), so that in no uncertain terms, they will all know I am not happy.

I don't want your money. I want freedom. Freedom to not be burdoned with someone elses debt, freedom to feed and cloth and house my family. Freedom for my children and my childrens children, not to be born into this world with the debts of the rich hanging over their heads.

I didn't know the banks were squandering money left and right and centre, and lining their own pockets. I only knew that had happened when it was too late for them. So my representitve took upon himself to bail them out, at my expense.

No sir. I will not have that. I will let them know in no uncertain terms. I don't want your money, or your belongings. I want MINE!



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Seventhdoor
Fine, no cap on wealth but a sliding scale of taxes where the rich pay far more than the poor.

So by the time you are making 100 million a year, your taxes are up to like 80%.

Thats within the constitution right? Who needs more than 20 million a year anyways? What kind of selfish jerk would cry because they aren't making enough wealth to live on for centuries?

At 1 billion a year your taxes are up to 90%. I mean that still leaves 100 MILLION dollars a year! Thats insane wealth, thats buying yachts and having whatever you want.

At 10 billion a year your taxes are at 95% Thats FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. I don't know of anyone who is making this kind of wealth anyways, but still thats insane wealth if it were to ever happen.

At 100 Billion a year you pay 99% taxes and anything above 100 billion stays at 99%. Thats still an income of 1 Billion a year, so much wealth you could live for 10,000 years or more on it. You could build a small nation. You could literally have your own little standing army.

These taxes are also not all "government owned" taxes either. If these earnings come from any affiliation with any corporation they are sent back into the corporation not to make improvements on the business itself, but to do things like improve benefits, give raises, and so on. In fact the money goes first to the bottom. No "trickle down" rather think of it as improving the foundations of ones business. People at the bottom get bonuses, or raises, better health care, and so on, and the wealth trickles up back towards those who already have wealth.

If your earnings come from private investments then the same portion of it goes directly into things like supporting social security, medicare, and other public services.

Granted I don't know how such a sliding scale would really work in terms of exact amounts, but you get the idea.
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100% irrelevant. How much is of no concern, its the idea people can tell me how much property I can and can no have. I'm not just talking about land here either, I'm talking about property in general, all kinds.
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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My Plan is available for all to see.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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When then, did the problem magically become that of wall street, and the banks alone? Just because voting is the only way you know of to have your voice heard, so to speak, doesn't mean that now our problem somehow isn't the government which allows banks and corporations to act the way they do.

Attack the source, not the symptom
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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First off you tax wealth instead of limiting it. That way the sky is the limit, but you still return much of the money you take from the economy.

Then you rid ourselves of the debt based fractional reserve banking system. The elimination of bank leverage would make most money disapear causing a seriously deflationary scenario. This would allow us to print hwat is needed to run a successful economy and put our economy back on a solid footing.

Then you attack jobs. Require training for the long term umemployed to get benefits. Stop the exporting of jobs and the importing of cheap labor.

Socialize the utilities, making the customers the shareholders. Rid the neccesities of life from a profit motive. Let pure unadulterated capitalism take care of everything else.

Bar all donations to political candidates and have them funded directly and impartially by the government for whichever office they are running. This means lobbyists, corporations, foundations, citizens, etc. No money to any candidate.

That is just a starting point, but fix these and most else will fix itself.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Its funny that half of the people sit here and complain every day about the system being broke.. When a group does stand up for that, you bash them because of team politics..


I think very few of us are at all opposed to their actions as long as they remain non-violent and don't engage in criminal activities or deny others their rights. (A note here that I watched a very angry woman who's small business failed due to the OWS movement making it impossible for her customers to get to her business without running the gauntlet. They owe her every penny she lost as she did nothing to them. If they are credible they will make it right with her. If they are not credible they won't care.)

The criticism comes from the fact they have no clear message and are a mass of disparate people with everything from insane demands to real messages. It also comes from them accepting money and participation by groups who wish to take them over as part of the Obama campaign and those people are slowly taking the whole thing over. How can they be for change if they are in Obama's hip pocket and also involved with the same groups like SEIU who brought us this mess to begin with?

We have seen what real protest can do through examples like MLK and the Civil Rights Movement who had a clear goal and achieved that goal. Even the Tea Party was able to through peaceful actions get people in Office and make real change. Why? They had a clear message and good organization. They held there protests legally with proper permits and cleaned up after themselves. They had zero issues with the Police because they did nothing to cause any trouble and yet they were VERY effective and actually ACCOMPLISHED something meaningful.

I personally support any peaceful, lawful protest whether I agree or not. I think that is true of most Americans.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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I have an old plan,take care of yourself, and your family. Take responsibility for your actions and your obligations, lead by example for your children and everyone around yourself. Avoid debt as much as possible,including college.
I do not need any government intervention to to those basic things. What I need from my government is to quit meddling in everything,which includes taxes, over regulation, market manipulation, NAFTA, lobbiests, enforce the laws, and the like, which is detrimental to our society as a whole.
many of my basic points are also included with IAMIAM's view.
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by pianopraze
1. Return to Constitutional government
2. End the federal reserve PRIVATE bank and print money interest free.
3. End the TSA.
4. Bring all our troops home for DEFENSE, ending all wars.
5. End all foreign aid.
6. Uphold all systems like Social Security.
7. Repeal the Patriot act.
8. End all tyrannical presidential edicts...
9. Cut our out of control government down to a smaller size.
10. Get real financial reform passed that limits corporate control.

wait... I might have heard someone who thinks like this also...
edit on 1-11-2011 by pianopraze because: typo


All of which means they must protest the government in DC. So, why are they everywhere but there?

Everything the bad apples on Wall Street have done is legal. It's legal because our politicians are for sale. The problem is inside the White House and Congress. So why are they taking money from groups who represent those in Congress and sitting in the White House? They that illiterate, in Obama's hip pocket or both?



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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OP, When they decided to squander all the money on themselves and their schemes of greed. It was them who brought the worlds economy down and took food out of my families mouth. It was them that took the money from the "government", and lavishly squandered it on themselves once again. You say attack the source not the symptom. Well both parties are so intertwined that they are one and the same. Scratching each others backs, like the conjoined twins that they are.

It is not only their problem, but the problem of the government too. They are all a bunch of thieves, and I will let them both know I am not happy. I will demonstrate my unhapiness against them. Wether I am on Capitol Hill, or on Wall Street, Chicago or Florida, it doesn't matter. It only matters that they all know I am not happy and I want change.

I think you have your wires crossed with what this demonstration want. Instead of listening to those who have vested interests in the banking system and it's off shhots, why don't you listen to what they demonstrators are saying?

Of course those that have vested interests in the system that is being demonstrated against, want to pull everybody who has worked hard to get their belongings into this. It's called divide and conquer. Divide and conquer.

If those who would benefit most from reform argue amongst themselves, instead of uniting and fighting for the common good of man and country, then they have succeded in their deflection of blame.

Open your eyes and open your ears. All of you.

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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by mugger
What I need from my government is to quit meddling in everything,


Amen! That's a message we can all get behind. That's not what the Anarchist, Marxists, Unions or groups like MoveOn under George Soros thumb want though and they have taken over OWS. OWS is now the Obama reelection campaign funded by the same people who brought us Obama.







 
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