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OWS, Stay on the Street, going home is a trap.

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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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OWS is not trap!

This corrupt system which blend political and financial objectives into the rule
of the land is a trap.

It will see the majority of you getting poorer and poorer because the system is
designed and maintained by corporations that have unlimited life, no breath,
soul or conscience and resources that cannot be matched by scores of
individual citizens.

We have experienced what the system brings already haven't we?

It brings misery on the good lot of us, and godlike prosperity for those who have
the money to play the game, this game is the trap, not good the people marching
or exercising their rights and freedom.

I think convincing people to go home based upon fear and derision will send the wrong
message all together, that we are powerless, that we have to accept any concept
the elites and their creations can imagine.

This system depends on the fact that we cannot see or barely detect the confines
and the expanses of this trap. Because we cannot point to it and take a picture of it,
we must be imagining it, that is the extent of this trap, people.

I say going home based upon threats or fear only says that we give up, that we are all
slaves to the grand dictator of Money, as opposed to our common bound as human beings.
Don't go home, go out more, take it back, your government and the system that you have
to exist in, is yours to change. That was the point of creating America...
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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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As soon as it starts getting colder, the Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Hippies, violent revolutionaries, etc will go home. Please stay home. People don't like cleaning up the mounds of trash left by your protests. People don't like getting harassed by insane OWS protesters. People don't like the drug dealing and drug taking being done by the protesters. Please just go home, apply for jobs, get a job, and be productive members of society, maaaaaan.


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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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The protesters aren't protesting because they don't want to get a job, they are protesting because unemployment is up to around 30% for those under 30, and of the fewer jobs that remain most pay less than poverty level, have fewer benefits and little or no prospect for advancement beyond the entry level.

Once again -- for the benefit of all the high school drop outs on this forum who magically work for their dad at his construction business -- jobs are NOT created because people want them, they are created because demand for goods and services exceeds existing supply.

More dollars must be spent at street level, or the economy death-spirals.
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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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The more I find out about their goals, the less I support them. That being said, at least they are doing something more than sitting on the couch watching American idol.


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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Your reply is worth just as much as the trash that is left behind by protesters.

What have you done to wake up the masses? Want to help?

Then educate people on why you believe this protest won't change anything,
rather then putting your toxic non patriotic opinion in a thread making your self look ignorant.

Sigh.

btw OP i love your enthusiasm keep up the good work.


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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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What makes you a productive member of society?? Burying your head in the sand and doing your job? You are a destructive member of society just by your narrow visioned views and your support for this suicidal system we live in. Stop being such a baby.



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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everything is a trap.
no one gets out alive.
go to occupy, stay home, makes no difference.
in the end your time is up and off this brief mortal coil you will shuffle.
so in the meantime
instead of arguing about tastycrats and fingerlickans
or which social groups present you have some irrational vendetta against
and whether or not you have a personal taste for hippies

maybe we could all pull together
forget our petty surface differences
and actually do something to help the people of this planet.
the ones who will follow after.
this is our chance to turn the world into that place
that you tell your children it is.

occupy everything. forever.


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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by godfather420
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What makes you a productive member of society?? Burying your head in the sand and doing your job? You are a destructive member of society just by your narrow visioned views and your support for this suicidal system we live in. Stop being such a baby.


Yes, hanging out in park-based-tent-cities, wallowing in each other's delusions that doing so will somehow magically change the world, is far more reasoned and mature.

True, it is very destructive to go to work, provide for your family, pay for your house, buy a car, save for retirement, be a participant in the (not yet perfect) system of laws and morals that have led to the greatest freedoms...and overall affluence...of the greater populace than at any time in history. And I am talking here not just about the U.S., but Western society in general.

We should all just hang our heads in shame at being a part of such a social travesty.

I must agree. Some people really need to grow up.



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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What jobs? Where?

Hate to inform you, but we "commies" are pretty tolerant of the cold.



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by mobiusmale


And I am talking here not just about the U.S., but Western society in general.

We should all just hang our heads in shame at being a part of such a social travesty.


i'm glad i can take at least two of your sentences
and get something of worth from them.

out of context but so truthful.
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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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What jobs? Where?

Hate to inform you, but we "commies" are pretty tolerant of the cold.


Brave talk sir/madam...but when it becomes cold, and/or when the money runs out, the vast majority will go home.

There are jobs everywhere. There are business opportunities everywhere. If unemployment is 15%, that means that 85% of the people can find jobs.

Stop believing that, or acting like, the world owes you a living...and that the successful among us must give what they have earned - and rightfully own - to those who are unsuccessful, or not even trying.

Just wondering...who is paying for you to go and to participate in these "events"? Are you affluent enough yourself to go months and years without any income supports at all...if so, how did you get so affluent? If somebody else is paying for you to go and stay a part of this "movement", where did that money come from...and why do you feel entitled to this cash?



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by decepticonLaura

Originally posted by mobiusmale


And I am talking here not just about the U.S., but Western society in general.

We should all just hang our heads in shame at being a part of such a social travesty.


i'm glad i can take at least two of your sentences
and get something of worth from them.

out of context but so truthful.
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That's okay.

Feel free to take things out of context...or to speak half truths, using the carefully edited words of others.

Before you know it, your movement will be behaving exactly like "the system" you are rising up against. Personally, though, I do not believe this so-called movement will survive long enough to become completely corrupt.

Utopia is a grand idea (so enjoy your little fantasy while you have your soap box). It may even exist somewhere...but not in any place run by humans.



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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Look over there! Occupy wall street!!

No!

It's occupy global meltdown forum!!



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Yet a bunch of other people who have 'completely missed the point'
It goes right over your heads hm.

Start looking at history, and history repeats itself, and so, you will find your answers.

Its all there, there are facts about how we're getting screwed. Think occupy isn't doing anything? They're making people AWARE of the problem, people who might have never been aware of the problem. Thats the point..

There is a big problem, atleast they're recognizing it and attempting to do something about it,

Nothing i don't like more than someone who sits behind a computer, making generalizations, while doing nothing but contributing lame posts on ATS..

Unemployment is upwards towards 30%. that 9.1 or 10 % you see, is people taking government benefits to survive, the others are either a) looking, b)working odd jobs c)and whatever else.

Look at the unemployment rate in the great depression, what they're doing all over the world right now with these bailouts of entire nations, are just delaying the inevitable, and someone, somewhere, is going to make a buttload of money when it does crash. Thats how it works.
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posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Hate to break it to you, but how can there be jobs everywhere if some 15% of people can't get one no matter how hard they try. And clearly there are not business opportunities everywhere because people are not spending money. In fact many businesses are struggling to keep their heads above water, so in your imaginary world we start up even more businesses and there will be jobs for everybody right? Thats not going to happen.

Stop believing that its not possible to improve the situation. Its not about being entitled to this or that, its about changing things for the better, about fixing this system which keeps screwing up. The people can't continue to have the bankers take billions of our money without us even having a say in how their affairs are run.

You might be happy with the system but its pretty childish to suggest that those that go to a protest are being paid to do so. Are you being paid to oppose the protest? Are you (or anybody else) at work and being paid by your employer whilst you are writing messages on ATS?

Instead of going down this sick, cynical route (about everybodies intentions) why don't you just say why you oppose the aims of OWS?



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Or we'll talk about the FED..
Or not, because im sure anyone who doesn't know about the fed can go watch a docu or find some info on it.
Or perhaps the ENTIRE GLOBAL BANKING SYSTEM
That is literally sucking the wealth out of this planet, and its true, you see it all over the damn world. And the LAST STOP is the west.

Big business has pillaged the land
Destroyed the forests
Destroyed the environment (we have to, but still by extension, on their hands)
Export jobs
Slave labour
And is expecting you to pay for things like bailouts, (To entire NATIONS), big business and 'too big to fail', while they make record profits, and continue on this downspin that will only reselt in complete collapse of the system, and in that time they will have the resources, to do what they will with us.

Screw that #. The time IS now. And the world is seeing that. Over 1700 cities now. Thats a lot of 'hippies' and 'potsmokers' and they 'dont know what they're doing', Oh we're aware of whats going on, and the occupy movement knows it. Hence why the propaganda machine is out in full force, trying at any means to discredit this entire movement, and they succeed when gullible people don't do their own research, instead of listening to the big mainstream news sources.

Its a learning experiences, people randomly go to occupy, and they learn something they might not have known before, and we have a reason to be, very very mad.

rant, sorry.

And continue to do all of these things,



posted on Oct, 30 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by mobiusmale
Brave talk sir/madam...but when it becomes cold, and/or when the money runs out, the vast majority will go home.


I think you have a grievous lack of understanding about actual protests. See, people who actually have a cause will stick it out. They see hardship as a challenge to overcome, rather than incentive to quit. This is a good way of demonstrating that the tea party, for instance, was not really protesting anything - they went home at dusk, watched TV, and maybe came back on the weekend.

What money?


There are jobs everywhere. There are business opportunities everywhere. If unemployment is 15%, that means that 85% of the people can find jobs.


That has got to be one of the most oblivious and inane things I've ever seen on ATS. Bravo, sir.
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It... doesn't work that way. There are, by the nature of the system, fewer jobs than potential employees. Only in the most insane, booming-est economy will you ever see anything like 100% employment.

Swear to god, all you people frothing about "capitalism" could at least learn how markets work.


Stop believing that, or acting like, the world owes you a living...and that the successful among us must give what they have earned - and rightfully own - to those who are unsuccessful, or not even trying.


All human beings are entitled to a level of care - adequate food, housing, access to warmth and clean water. These things are "human rights." I understand that you may be like many on ATS who would rather just gun down the destitute and throw them in a trench, like your ideological forebears (At least, before said forebears learned how to use cyclon B instead of bullets) but, I can't say this firmly enough, you are wrong.

Further, another area where you are wrong is in your presumption of the goals of this protest. If you were able to yank your head from whatever warm, dank crevasse you have it stored in, you would understand that it is a movement against the financial corruption of our government, and the systems that allow this corruption to persist. While some individual protestors may be confused, you get that result no matter what.

Perhaps you oppose efforts to strip corruption from our government, and oppose efforts to prevent it from falling back into the hands of corporate interests? Don't be ashamed if so, you have much vociferous support from your fellow ATSers, who would love nothing more than to see the US Constitution outsourced for editing to the Walton family, of Wal-mart fame and fortune.


Just wondering...who is paying for you to go and to participate in these "events"? Are you affluent enough yourself to go months and years without any income supports at all...if so, how did you get so affluent? If somebody else is paying for you to go and stay a part of this "movement", where did that money come from...and why do you feel entitled to this cash?


I do have a job, actually. Since this job places other human beings under my care - even indirectly, in my particular case - I feel my obligation to them is higher than to my political urges. Maybe you're unfamiliar with that sort of thing, but there it is.

Even if this weren't thecase, I feel I can just leave it at this; I've been homeless before. I seem to have survived. if need be, I could do it again. Do you think you could manage? because if you and yours keep demanding the things you keep demanding, you'll be out here on hte street with hte rest of 'em. What then, are you going to scream and rant about "hippies" still?
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posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Thutmose
As soon as it starts getting colder, the Socialists, Communists, Progressives, Hippies, violent revolutionaries, etc will go home. Please stay home. People don't like cleaning up the mounds of trash left by your protests. People don't like getting harassed by insane OWS protesters. People don't like the drug dealing and drug taking being done by the protesters. Please just go home, apply for jobs, get a job, and be productive members of society, maaaaaan.


Actually you sound like the Communist because you are against freedom to protest.

If you don't like America you should move to somewhere that agrees with your principals, like China.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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What about us who think
"Your system" is corrupt? I live in a district that historically was conservative Republican. All my neighbors HATE our government and believe we have been co-opted by Corporations...they do not just HATE OBAMA, they HATE the BUSH/CHENEY imposters.
Truth is America never was the land of the "Free and Brave" but that slogan got kids to die for rich cowards.



posted on Oct, 31 2011 @ 03:08 AM
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You might as well join the Occupy near you because waiting wont help either. Might as well got out on your feet with some idea of what's happening.



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