The word is out "OWS" is a tool in use to bring about the "NWO" DISBAND NOW!

reply to post by malcr


Do people fear the OWS?

I don't think so. We'll see after winter.

But I believe that they are not being corrupted, but have been corrupted.

My blinders are now off and I now stand opposed to this facist and racist movement.

Originally posted by beezzer
So, who would you have control the nations financial system?

The question rather should be, "What does the joystick look like"

That is to say, you use a term here "the nation's financial system" that really, needs to be broken down far simpler, into its constituent parts.

For example, do the impoverished, blame:

1: The clearing house invisible banks that launder drug money?
2: The bribed/blackmailed politicians that do not enforce existing laws, as to "financial crimes" aka RICO?
3: The secret religious groups that seek to own people's souls, via commerce/mammonism?

In defining what the "Control peripherals" aka joystick/steering wheel, of "nations", looks like, we can then move closer to truth. But to jump ahead, as if we have defined the true nature of control, is folly.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by brokedown
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I am very intrigued by your reply.

Could you expand on why you believe the Occupy movement is trying to undermined the Constitution ?

It is bought and paid for by Van Jones, Trumpka, adbusters, Tide Foundation, Soros.

I find this at best to be very disingenuous. Yes, the aforementioned have donated to OWS. Bought and paid for though? Speak for yourself, no one has bought my opinion. I think many in the movement feel the same.

reply to post by firegoggles

All the people arguing and debating this topic in countless threads full of their silly "quotes" and "facts" and "proof" were wrong and wasted their time... all we needed was your opinion.

I'm glad you cleared that up

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I'm not a banker or an economist, it wouldn't be my job to implement a new system.
But a system that is based on greed, corruption, looking after the interests of the richest in society and not the poorest, with tax breaks and bailouts a plenty.... is NOT the right system in my opinion.

CEO's and bankers bonuses are up this year, many as much as 40% (While the rest of society is on a pay freeze or essentially CUT with inflation rising).... and these are banks that the taxpayer bailed out... you know, the socialism and handouts that people seem to have such an issue with.
The banks have taken more money than most realise.


www.guardian.co.uk...

www.managementtoday.co.uk...


Isn't that nice... the people who caused the mess are still being rewarded... essentially with taxpayers money.


But that's ok isn't it?

It's only when the poor get money that it's an issue... not when the rich get it, that's all fine and dandy.


Is it fair when 97 out of the top 100 FTSE companies all have offshore subsidiaries so that they don't pay the full UK taxes because their companies are registered in tax havens.... It's probably the same in the US.
Tax avoidance and evasion cost the system a ridiculous sum.... the amount is just staggering.


All I want is a fair system, a system that isn't as bent and corrupt as possible... one that works with the people and for the people... not against the people, trying to get as much out of the people as possible.

I want politicians that are ruled by their conscience and the will to do the decent and moral thing for their constituents, not ruled by money and corruption and doing all they can to line their pockets.

I want banks to have fiscal responsibility and to give the best advice to their customers and give them the best deals and look after their money, not fritter it away and operate in a ponzi scheme type system.
Not mess around with toxic debts/assets and give people money who they know can't afford it.

I want all of this to be independently regulated and checked and I want us to move back to a place where everyone wasn't out to make as much money from other people's misery as humanly possible.

That would be a good start.

I'm glad a few are paying attention--

NWO OWNs the OWS

Remember they hide this stuff so close to your face you cannot see it

The OP is dead on right.

He shouldn't have to provide proof, this should be the kind of thing that you just see.
If you have been following the Occupy movement since the beginning and you're apparently already "awake", then you should have no problem at all seeing it for what it really is.

reply to post by beezzer


As for myself, I would prefer to see the monetary system of the United State return to the mandate in the Constitution.

That the treasury of the United States coin and print money backed by gold and silver. The Federal Reserve’s Charter should be revoked.

For myself, if I had a choice of a Federal reserve promissory note or a gold or silver coin, I would choose the metal.

As for the financial investment sector this needs to remain private, but heavily regulation to ensure honest fair trades.

If a financial firm holds an asset it should be valued at “market value”, not what ever the firms says it’s value is. This would be a return to “mark to market” values.

Derivatives should be once again outlawed,
Derivatives trading is what has gotten us in the financial mess we are today.

We should return to a separation between Commercial Banks and Investment banks.

Computerized trading by the Investment Banks should once again be a crime. Why should Goldman-Sachs or JP Morgan have the first option on any and every trade. Let the traders on the floor make the trades as they have since the beginning of the market.

As you see the rules for the 1% have been re-written over the past twenty plus years to give them an unfair advantage.

Thanks for your .. opinion.. in it you say we know it's true as soon as we read it? I'll tell you what I knew as soon as I read it. The person that wrote it has an agenda. No special insight or information.. just an agenda that's anti-protest. You just go hide your head in the sand there Nancy.. we'll do the heavy lifting for you.

Have a good one! =)

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You of all people..... Do you not see the same BS tactics being brought up against the OWS movement, that you and I were fighting together here that were being used against the TP? How can you not see it? The only difference here is that it is the right wingers slinging all the preverbial mud, instead of the left wingers. It is partisan BS mudslinging all over again.....

reply to post by TheMindWar


NO don't sit and do nothing...
If you really want to do something that will truly have an "effect" ........
Withdraw all your funds from the bank!

Originally posted by TKDRL
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You of all people..... Do you not see the same BS tactics being brought up against the OWS movement, that you and I were fighting together here that were being used against the TP? How can you not see it? The only difference here is that it is the right wingers slinging all the preverbial mud, instead of the left wingers. It is partisan BS mudslinging all over again.....

There is a difference. OWS was created by those that benefit from Wall Street. Ther intent? Dunno. Their honest intent? Dunno.
But I don't trust them.

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Hook, line sinker.... Damn.

How to destroy a grassroots movement 101:

1) Ignore them, don't give them any coverage, they are not big enough to make a difference.

2) Oh boy, they have grown too big to ignore, smear campaign STAT! Find the fringe elements, keep them in the spotlight! Find some fringe organizations that contributed, and say they funded the whole thing! This will garner opposition from the peons themself, and also attract more fringe to the movement.

3) Take it over. Send some "spokesman" there to keep the illusion going, that this was not a grassroots thing, but an evil plan from the getgo.

4) Grassroots has no credibility with the general sheeps no more, hence movement squashed.

Sound familiar? Obviously simplified a bit, but it sounds pretty similar to me.

reply to post by TKDRL
A close riposte, but not quite.

Any time a movement states, "You're either with us or against us"
Any time a movement deliberately obfuscates their message
Any time a movement gains endorsements from specific spectrums of the political realm

Then I will have my doubts.

I have been with a few different grassroots movements from the beginning, the RP liberty campaign, the TP movement, and OWS. I seen the same tactics used against all three, and they worked in the first two, and seem to be going right as planned with OWS. Divide and concur, let the peons tear each other apart, laugh all the way to the bank. How long will people fall for it? How long will people allow themselves to be tools of their own destruction? I don't know, but I hope not much longer. The same plan over and over. Divide and concur. Infiltrate and take it over.

For those who doubt this being at least a credible theory, I suggest spending a few hours watching occupystream.com. I am on the fence with this, but what I see is censored chat and a barrage of violent clips in between live feeds. Why not air constructive, progressive information? Is someone conducting this orchestra?!?

I wouldn't doubt it.

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I'm not squashing anything. I believe the intentions of the common sheep are right on but this won't work.


It will only bring the Military in on it... that is truly what they want and need.

The movement should be transformed into a movement that everyone in the United States can join in on..
Like...

#1. Withdrawing all you rmoney from the banks so these gangsters can no longer use are hard earned money to commit crime.

#2. Unite in an idea of how we can stop or at least divert funds that normally they get. I'm open to ideas including carpooling and biking and not buying fuel or any oil based product for a solid week or so(if possible where you live).

These ideas are by no means perfect just IDEAS! But sure beats tear gas and clubs that will only cause a larger divide in the country and fuel the Chaos the elite want to start the ultra-control mechanism.

Also just so you know what "side" I'm on I think this whole "OWS" movement is peaceful for the most part.. great so they don't bring in the military if we keep it peaceful like this? But will they (TPTB) allow that? I think you know that answer to that question. Of course if it remains peaceful they will plant some goon to start violence.

So again what will it accomplish. I mean if we are going to do it lets do it. Let's organize and "Un-occupy" movement ! Let's get a million man march started and march are American Flag waving arses right into the congress during session and oust them out of there! And then repeat said march for the white house! We'll call it "Un-Occupy" all criminal and self serving American wannabe can now leave the building which is the United States Government! We'll have an emergency vote and put a real American in the white house! Then lock up all the leaders of the shadow gov and that's a wrap! Sound fanciful? It could be done. If we would grow a pair...

But let's crap or get off the pot! This hanging out in the streets waving signs that not one person gives a crap about is going to bring about Martial Law in the United States of America.... God help us!


Now how do you like me? ;P
-FG

reply to post by Fishticon84


This is exactly right. The question is do we the people that are awake actually have the "answer"? I can answer that.. no I don't think we do. I know I don't have "the answer" BUT....

I have some pretty good ideas that people could elaborate on...

Thanks for the support!


-FG

Every protest that ever gains any ground is always accused of being a plot of the NWO to cause an uprising that will bring about martial law, etc. What a great little fear tactic to try to keep people from protesting a corrupt system. The thing is, if you truly believe in the protest then you have to go out there and make your voice heard. Quit fearing the threat of martial law... if for some insane reason that actually happened... well, you gotta be prepared to push through that, too. Remember Egypt? The people outnumbered the police,the soldiers, and the tanks. The people are stronger than all that.

Yes the are being used as puppets and are their strings ever being pulled and yes for a NWO and always remember NWO spelled backwards is OWN.

The think they are trying to do the OWN'ing but they are the one who will be OWNED in the end.

So i agree with the op here.