Flier at Occupy Phoenix asks, “When should you shoot a cop?”

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Ben81

 

You can citizen arrest a cop that have acted violently for no reason
then you demand to exchange the cop for a thousand protested who got arrested

...everyone has to follow laws...even protestors.

edit on 28-10-2011 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

edit on 28-10-2011 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

I've seen numerous clips not even OWS oriented that prove the cops are above the law and do not have to obey it as they constantly break it and get away with it. They have no fear of legal punishment just possibly some administrative leave (payed time off), which is basically a reward for bad behavior.

Since police are state sponsored the state apparently is also, above the law and since the state is part of the fed government the entire government is above the law. Since you cannot arrest a state or government the closest you can come is arresting their representatives, and exactly how many of those have we ever been able to successfully hold accountable for their abuse of power and misconduct?

so I would argue that you are wrong, not EVERYONE has to obey the law...its not universal nor is it enforced universally which is part of the "issue" I'm sure people have with the government.

reply to post by SirMike


Oh oh its them commiers that are back in fashion, did we go back in time to the 50s when the bid bad red amchine was planning to destroy the true heroes, the red white and blue eheheh, dont you like it when people rehash old fears...

www.youtube.com...

As long as the shooting is done with cameras start shooting...

As soon as they step out of their house,
Continue while they are generating revinue by intimidating people into signing fraudulent documents (tickets)
Acting like thugs,
Bragging to other cops about acting like thugs,
Speeding home

Let them know they are being watched and they will stop the "'m better than you because I have a badge" attitude in an astonishingly short time.

Originally posted by GodefroydeBouillon
reply to post by SirMike

 

Oh oh its them commiers that are back in fashion, did we go back in time to the 50s when the bid bad red amchine was planning to destroy the true heroes, the red white and blue eheheh, dont you like it when people rehash old fears...

Right you are … after all, an ideological movement that had over half of the world’s population under its direct control a mere 30 years ago just VANISHED into thin air after the Wall came down. Sounds legit.

reply to post by VforVendettea


No, i am pretty sure that killing cops will just get everyone in trouble and pull us into martial law.

Everybody is reading this as a left-wing incitement to violence based solely upon the title of the flyer.

If one were to take the time to actually READ the flyer, they would see that there is more of a right-wing attitude in the flyer; they talk about defending your 2nd amenedment rights and freedom of speech. They use examples of communist atrocities to show what happens when we give the "lawmakers" too much power.

How many left-wingers support 2nd amendment rights? Do you really think they would point out communist atrocities in order to get their point across?

The flyer makes perfect sense IMO. When the lawmakers make unreasonable laws that give police the power to arbitrarily violate your rights and, in some cases to inflict unwarrented violence against you, a citizen has a right, some would say a moral obligation to stand up against the unjust laws and the jackbooted thugs who blindly enforce them. Since they are not likely to just back down in the face of passive resistance (in fact, it is likely that they will increase the oppression and violence if questioned) it will probably become necessary to use lethal force in order to fight back against the oppressors.

Hopefully most cops would realize that the laws they are called upon to enforce are unjust before it came to such a point but, if the cops fail to see that they have become the oppressors of their fellow men, then I say they desreve what they have coming to them.

Anyone can print a flyer and disburse it through a crowd.

It represents nothing except the motivations of the person who did it. Those motivations could easily be against OWS.

For when there is a protest, as long as it is done peacefully, the citizens of any country should accept that. It is acceptable, and everyone should be willing to accept such. However, the side that throws the first punch, or commits an act of violence, or even violates the laws of the local area, they are wrong.

This flier, this statement is wrong on so many levels, as it puts many people in danger on both sides of the issue, both the police and those who would protest. It ups the proverbial ante, making a tense situation dangerous, pouring gas on the embers that are burning.

All of the pictures and videos of the OWS do show violence, yet do not show the whole picture, they do not show what happened before, but rather during the events of violence. And when the truth does come out, sometimes what we see is not the whole story, such as those in New York. Many did not know that the park where the OWS was camped out, was privately owned, thus are they breaking the law by trespassing on what would be considered private property, as it is owned by a private company who has all rights to demand that those people leave?

If this is a plant, as some would suggest, then it is done in bad tastes, and could get someone shot and killed, but however, if it is not, then the entire movements needs to be taken a second look at what all is going on, along with why they are doing such. From the get go, this movement was suspected and rightly so, as a political movement, and the people who are protesting are being used as political pawns, for one group or another. This was further proven with the joining of ex ACORN people and Unions, that those who are protesting, are being used to further a political agenda of the Democrats.

The ultimate shame is that the original complaints and ideas that these protestors had, are going to go by the wayside, in favor of some slick politician who will use them to further their own agenda, making grand promises and ultimately try to gather votes, rather than trying to make a difference, combined with that this is happening at the start of a new voting cycle. One can only hope that cooler heads will prevail and that it does not spiral out of control, or some nut job decides to take what he reads to heart and start doing what is suggested, and trying to justify his actions on such.

While there needs to be more over site on the part of the police, and those who do such need to be separate from the police departments, this is not the way nor should it be.

reply to post by TsukiLunar

I think you missed the word CAMERA

reply to post by Sly1one


After a very quick search...these are all news articles from the past week (this isn't even a complete list).

Police Officer Accused In Fraud Ring

Officer arrested for suspected drunk driving

FBI arrests Ocala police officer

Police Officer Charged with Prostitution Fired

Portland police officer arrested in Vancouver on felony charges

Woman testifies in police officer sex case

Winnsboro Police Officer Fired After Arrest



So despite what you say...it does appear that the police do have to follow the law as well.

reply to post by VforVendettea

As long as the shooting is done with cameras start shooting...

I see. This is still your fault for not using proper punctuation.

Regardless, i apologize.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Sly1one

 

After a very quick search...these are all news articles from the past week (this isn't even a complete list).

Police Officer Accused In Fraud Ring

Officer arrested for suspected drunk driving

FBI arrests Ocala police officer

Police Officer Charged with Prostitution Fired

Portland police officer arrested in Vancouver on felony charges

Woman testifies in police officer sex case

Winnsboro Police Officer Fired After Arrest



So despite what you say...it does appear that the police do have to follow the law as well.

touche...however how many of these are abuse of force/assault related cases? They seem to predominantly be fraud related. One of them was domestic violence related so he had to be off-duty/citizen to be considered "arrest-able"...If he had beat the hell out of his wife on-duty with the uniform on I'm not sure the outcome would be the same he could have easily used the badge as justification for any of his actions.

The Vancouver related arrest the officer was also off-duty. Again the premise is that he committed the crimes as a "citizen" so therefor, arrest-able...on-duty as an officer not so much.

I think what you are finding in search is the "standard deviation" of the abuse of force bell curve...the brunt of that abuse of force is not held responsible...some as always will be though.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


The quote feature is nice to use.
It gives you a chance to double check while you are replying.

reply to post by Sly1one


I'm not denying that there are bad cops...there are bad ones in any group.

I have seen two videos of OWS that the police action wasn't warranted...that is the mace into the girls face...and the cop who punched a guy while he was walking backwards.

Thousands of protestors, hundreds of cities...at most 10 reported incidents of "police brutality"....I really don't think that is a bad record.

But Police brutality is a tricky subject...at times police do have to use force...that is just a fact.

Killing anyone is just.... Pointless.

However if it were to come down to me or the cop.
he wouldn't have a chance

Battle points 101, disorient your enemy, Rape Them.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Sly1one

 

I'm not denying that there are bad cops...there are bad ones in any group.

I have seen two videos of OWS that the police action wasn't warranted...that is the mace into the girls face...and the cop who punched a guy while he was walking backwards.

Thousands of protestors, hundreds of cities...at most 10 reported incidents of "police brutality"....I really don't think that is a bad record.

But Police brutality is a tricky subject...at times police do have to use force...that is just a fact.

edit on 28-10-2011 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

I agree with you, I think the real issue comes into play when the rule of law is enforced in a weak manner on police officers and very strict and unhindered towards citizens.

Police use of force isn't a tricky subject they have the application of such almost down to a science.

Police brutality is pretty obvious and people know it when they see it (at least in the extreme cases ala Rodney King). The instances that are the most obvious as police brutality aren't being addressed and the picture is painted for everyone to see/feel/believe that the police are above the law. This is where I personally feel the real disconnect between law enforcement and the citizens really is.

I think the hating on the cops would be less and the abuse of their power would be less and instances of police brutality all together would be less if the laws were enforced as strictly for police officers as they were for citizens when it comes to assault/abuse of force etc...

A cop getting shot at one of these protests is exactly what tptb behind the scenes want, and sad to say it's only a matter of time before someone does just that! It may not even be a protestor who does the shooting, but rather someone such as a C.I.A. operative for instance. Whoever does the shooting isn't as important as what the resulting after effects would be, starting with the immediate imposition of marshal law. I'm quite sure that under Bush's anti-terrorist act, a new law will be put into place forbidding future protests of any kind.
For those who think things are bad now, just think what it will be like when the police are given free rein to storm into neighbourhoods and round up anyone they deem "suspicious", load them onto prison buses that will then take them to one of those already constructed "FEMA"/labour camps. Nazi Germany, anyone?
Now we learn the truth about why the U.S. government is freely letting Mexicans into the country without having to go through proper imigration procedures. for every working blue collar American citizen who gets shipped off to a labour camp, there will be two or three illegal Mexicans ready and willing to grab the newly available jobs for way less than minimum wage, plus all the benefits that come with living and working in the States....health and education to name a couple! Perhaps even the military will recruit illegals and train them for the job of rounding up American citizens and shipping them off to the camps which could even be run by Mexicans. Think then of the suffering that would take place!

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Sly1one

 

I'm not denying that there are bad cops...there are bad ones in any group.

I have seen two videos of OWS that the police action wasn't warranted...that is the mace into the girls face...and the cop who punched a guy while he was walking backwards.

Thousands of protestors, hundreds of cities...at most 10 reported incidents of "police brutality"....I really don't think that is a bad record.

But Police brutality is a tricky subject...at times police do have to use force...that is just a fact.

edit on 28-10-2011 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

The police nation wide have conducted themselves in an exemplary manner throughout the protest.

I would agree that the two examples you cited were unlawful and the officer should be criminally charged.

There has been a large percentage of various crowds clearly antagonizing the police with the hopes that somebody will loose their cool so the mob can scream "police brutality" and run amok.

Would anyone care to predict the outcome if they were to try the same tactic in the socialist paradise of the PRC?

Honestly, Selma Alabama 1965 was police brutality.

The Democratic National Convention in 1968 was police brutality.

Kent State was murder by the establishment.

Do some of you have any idea how pathetic it sounds screaming "police brutality" every time the cops arrest somebody for disobeying a lawful order?

He's right. And if you read the flier, you'd see why cops generally walk on eggshells in AZ and are for the most part very well mannered, courteous and reserved, while they are still effectively able to carry out their duties. It has been kind of an unsaid understanding here for the most part till this flier surfaced. Out here, I agree, cops really are just another gang, group, or club because we are able to arm ourselves as much as we'd like to outside of federal buildings.

I'd like to add that this is a firm reason why I strive to be a law abiding citizen and remain to stand alone and strong. It's a slippery slope here in AZ, and we all know it. Its still the wild west.

All this person is doing is trying to stirr the pot. I wouldn't be surprised if somebody that is AGAINST gun rights distributed that flier.

I was just on another thread about this when it got shut down I'll post here what I did there.

Well the guy's fliers were floating around Occupy Phoenix, but the guy who wrote said flier gave a speech at a Tea Party event in 2009. To be fair, (and save the Media Matters fellows some time) I’ll point out that Rose’s anarchist views seem to have an audience on both sides of the political aisle. He gave a speech at the Independence Hall Tea Party event in 2009 titled “You’re not the boss of me.” Video of the speech is here. You can see that this is indeed a Tea Party event if you compare the setting to this video of the same event. Source:www.verumserum.com...

Here's a link to verumserum:www.verumserum.com...