Tea Party Nation Member Proposes Small Businesses Stop Hiring

Originally posted by technical difficulties
I didn't see any other threads (unless they're using different keywords for it), so I figured I might as well post it.

www.teapartynation.com...

Now, before any Tea Party members say that I'm demonizing the Tea Party, I did state that this is a Tea Party Nation Member, and not the Tea Party Nation as a whole.

I personally have no problem with lumping them all together. When you lay down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.

As for my thoughts on it: Ignoring the polarizing rhetoric that this person uses liberally, telling small buisnesses to not hire is a pretty stupid idea, both for the people looking for jobs and the businesses refusing to hire them. Also, the people who become unemploymed as a result of this will probably join the occupy protests since they're so "anti-business" .

edit on 27-10-2011 by technical difficulties because: (no reason given)

Holding the American people hostage to an ideology is treason, in my opinion. Seriously, how anti-American can you get? They only people who hate America more are the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Why does the Tea Party hate America so much?

it boggles my mind really. I don't care who's in power, this sort of call to action is simply disgusting.

Originally posted by projectvxn

I, an American small business owner, part of the class that produces the vast majority of real, wealth producing jobs in this country, hereby resolve that I will not hire a single person until this war against business and my country is stopped. I hereby declare that my job creation potential is now ceased. “I’m on strike!”

Can I ask why this isn't ok?

Why are small business owners NOT allowed to strike? Why, since there is a war on business in this country, should business not fight back? Specially small businesses who one day hope to grow?

Why it is ok for unions to stage strikes that hurt the economic output of entire states, but when a business wants to do the same, it is looked upon with such contempt?

The beating the small business owner has had to endure while at the same time, and by the same people, being fed political platitudes is simply enough to make anyone want to throw up their hands and say, "FINE. You think I'M the problem? Let's see how long you last without me."

I'm with you.

All of these recent policies (over the past TWO administrations) have done more to hurt the small business owner than anyone else. Healthcare costs have gone up. The cost of unemployment insurance is through the roof. Compliance with all of the Federal government's rules and regulations is cost prohibative. We're also trying to tax them to death.

And this is therefore one of the contributing factors to why unemployment is so high! These small business owners don't know what's coming next, so they hold off on hiring.

Small businesses are the engine of America. We need to make owning/running a small business attractive and lucrative by getting the government's fingers out of the pie. That's why I was initially attracted to the Tea Party.

I have no problem with this idea whatsoever. I like it better than "Occupy".

Anyway, small business owners can do what they like. They don't have to hire anyone if they don't want to.

Originally posted by negativenihil
Why does the Tea Party hate America so much?

it boggles my mind really. I don't care who's in power, this sort of call to action is simply disgusting.

Sigh.

It's because we LOVE America. We want America to be strong. America can't be strong when the climate for creating small businesses is so unattractive.

If we hate "corporate America" (like OWS proclaims) then we need to take away some of the roadblocks to small businesses (put in there by government's excessive taxation and regulation) and allow Americans to start small businesses that will thrive. That's how you grow the economy.

Get rid of the tax breaks for corporations, and let hometown America soar.

Not sure how that is disgusting...

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Sigh.

It's because we LOVE America.

You love America so much, you're willing to destroy it's economy...

At a time when jobs are needed the most... you want to halt any hiring.

All because really, you don't like the president.

Yeah, you sure love America.

Originally posted by negativenihil

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Sigh.

It's because we LOVE America.

You love America so much, you're willing to destroy it's economy...

At a time when jobs are needed the most... you want to halt any hiring.

All because really, you don't like the president.

Yeah, you sure love America.

Nothing to do with this president by himself. Notice I said the past TWO administrations. I think you need to lump in the legislative branch, while you are at it.

What's ironic is that small businesses have practically stopped hiring anyway, because of the hostile environment I described above. Hence the unemployment problem.

I don't think that small businesses WOULD actually stop hiring because of an internet blog written by a Tea Party member. BUT, I think that it is NOT DISGUSTING for him to write a blog calling attention to the problem and suggesting a hiring freeze.

Hey, it got your attention, didn't it? Now what can we do to make the climate more attractive for small business owners?

BTW--it's certainly not the small business owners who have destroyed the economy, now is it?????

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl

Nothing to do with this president by himself.

Right.

Notice I said the past TWO administrations.

You did? Where?

Sigh.

It's because we LOVE America. We want America to be strong. America can't be strong when the climate for creating small businesses is so unattractive.

If we hate "corporate America" (like OWS proclaims) then we need to take away some of the roadblocks to small businesses (put in there by government's excessive taxation and regulation) and allow Americans to start small businesses that will thrive. That's how you grow the economy.

Get rid of the tax breaks for corporations, and let hometown America soar.

Not sure how that is disgusting...

BTW--it's certainly not the small business owners who have destroyed the economy, now is it?????

Did I say it was? No, I'm blaming the tea party for willing helping push it along towards destruction with this little hissy fit. How ever let's be clear. If any small business owners happen to be tea party supporters and do this willingly, then i will happily blame them as well.

Whoever wrote this blog post doesn't know how capitalism works. Honestly this strike would be about as effective as all of Canada going on strike.

I love to see how the talking point is now that Tea Partiers are treasonous and terrorists. I am not really much of a Tea Party guy outside the fact that I like the grassroot start of it but this is ridiculous. Just because you dont like something it isnt terrorism and they are fascists. Our political discourse has become so addled by the unintelligent people that have suddenly become interested in politics. All of a sudden every soccer mom and college student is a political expert because they watch MSNBC or Fox News for half an hour a day or have read some guys blog. We just make these stupid extreme statements and its infuriating. But I suppose if we want to talk about destroying the economy how bout Al Gore's campaign to send all our jobs to Mexico with NAFTA....or the constant spending by both sides that have made us so deep in debt that we will be paying this off for generations

reply to post by The Old American


When no one is hiring whose fault is that? Those trying to get a job or those offering jobs? Where does the blame lie?

reply to post by negativenihil


Look at my post from 1:14, above the one you were replying to.

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


Back up Two Administrations to modify to include the last FOUR ADMINISTRATIONS!

Then you will be able to connect more dots.

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Whoever this firm is should be boycotted and be called out for what they really are, putting politics above nation.

Perhaps when his sales begin to fall he'd care.

It isn't a business's responsibility to provide a person with a job.

Your point being? Just because you don't have to do something, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

So is it best for none to have a job than only some to be without one? Cutting off one's nose leaves nothing to set your glasses on.

/TOA

edit on 28-10-2011 by The Old American because: (no reason given)

While at the same time I get your point, at the end of the day you're still supporting a business that is "throwing their fellow americans under the bus".

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by The Old American

 

When no one is hiring whose fault is that? Those trying to get a job or those offering jobs? Where does the blame lie?

Why does there have to be any blame ascribed to anyone? Again, it is not a business's responsibility to provide a job to anyone. If it's not their job to provide jobs, why are they to blame? It's not your job to feed me, yet you don't feed me. Therefore I blame you. See how silly that is?

/TOA

If a buisness hires then because he needs the extra pair of hands, especially a small buisness.

Well buisnesses have been on strike for a long time. Rising inflation they pass on to the customer, but how many small buissness owners have adapted their wages to the inflation.

What these people fail to see, you cant see capitalism, communism or socialism as an ideology. They are economic models and thats it. There is no point to whine about "redistribution of wealth". An economy needs money to go around to function. If too many people "win" and hoard their money, a lot of money leaves the system, permanently. Then you have to inject new money in the system, either you print more, this will raise inflation. Raising inflation will hit those who have few and are on a fixed income hardest.

As they are hurting the market gradually shrinks, because people cant afford more and more stuff and in the process of the market shrinking more and more people cant meet their basic needs. If you have a "redistribution of wealth" those who could pass on inflation are hit hardes but dont suffer as much, because the impact on their standard of living isnt as big. Having less is not as bad as having nothing. Either you take it from the top or from the bottom.

Everybody wants their perfect solution, but there isnt one, by nature any economic model is imperfect. At some point you just can not squeeze the bottom 40 percent any harder, it can not be done. Taking all that money just sitting around however instead of printing more, that makes sense.

Socialism capitalism, call it what you will, its about using the right tool for the job. When there is little to share to begin with, there isnt much to "redistribute". You need to stimulate growth instead. When the people on fixed incomes and those earning minimum wage just can not be squeezed out any harder, then redistributing some of the money enterpeneurs have amassed becomes a viable option.

Of course it sucks for the capitalist having to part with more of his capital. Many feel the people on fixed income should be hurting more through inflation instead, is that any more fair? If all buisnesses were required by law to pay everybody the real same income, meaning requierd to adjust their wages for inflation, then the system would function better. Problem in the end very few people care about how well the system functions or doesnt. Most people only care about their own bottom line and dont see that the fire in the neighbours house might consume them too.

Originally posted by technical difficulties

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Whoever this firm is should be boycotted and be called out for what they really are, putting politics above nation.

Perhaps when his sales begin to fall he'd care.

It isn't a business's responsibility to provide a person with a job.

Your point being? Just because you don't have to do something, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

So is it best for none to have a job than only some to be without one? Cutting off one's nose leaves nothing to set your glasses on.

/TOA

edit on 28-10-2011 by The Old American because: (no reason given)

While at the same time I get your point, at the end of the day you're still supporting a business that is "throwing their fellow americans under the bus".

A business can only provide a job if they can afford to, and if they want to. What is so hard to understand here? A business owner doesn't open a business out of altruism (well, 999/1000 don't). They open a business to make money to feed their family. To stop for working for someone else and work for themselves, while making money to feed their family. To feed people good food, while making money to feed their family. Are you seeing a trend here?

They aren't throwing their fellow Americans under anything, because, yet again, their responsibility isn't to provide jobs to people. It's to provide a product or service to people. If a business doesn't make money, it will fail. Then nobody will have a job. I guess that's what you want. If only some can have it, then nobody should have it! Fairness and equality for all! And stuff.

/TOA

by various marxists, socialists and even communists,

Stopped reading there to give a hearty chuckle.

That whole thing was about as articulated as the OWS demands and declarations.

Why do people think that it is small business responsibility to give people jobs? If we small business owners hire a bunch of people we don't need, and can't afford, it fails. And we don't have the luxury of being bailed out, we go bankrupt and lose everything....... True story, happened to me, and it was just a 2 man business....

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by technical difficulties
[While at the same time I get your point, at the end of the day you're still supporting a business that is "throwing their fellow americans under the bus".

A business can only provide a job if they can afford to, and if they want to.
They aren't throwing their fellow Americans under anything, because, yet again, their responsibility isn't to provide jobs to people.

Whether or not it's an actual responsibility is irrelevant. People depend on small businesses for jobs. Saying "it's not their responsibility" doesn't change that, no matter how many times you say it.

If a business doesn't make money, it will fail. Then nobody will have a job. I guess that's what you want. If only some can have it, then nobody should have it! Fairness and equality for all! And stuff.

/TOA

And if many people become unemployed, I guess we just support the businesses that do it. I mean, you could support businesses that don't partake in ridiculous practices which will probably gain more business, which will probably require more employees, but forget that, let's just support businesses who will cause their fellow americans to be unemployed to send a message to politicans.