There is something very strange with the Utoya killing timeline

More police excuses:


www.telegraph.co.uk...
-- Police have been accused of a series of mistakes in their response to the shootings. There were a series of delays even as Breivik was shooting his victims; an overloaded boat carrying officers to the island started sinking into the lake; the first police officers to the scene stopped before crossing to the island, to wait for specialist backup; and the Delta-force armed unit which was trained to deal with terrorist attacks had to go by land from Oslo because no helicopters were available.

Originally posted by nakiel
He was wearing a wet or dry suit, the police badge was pinned on the side of his arm. He had a loaded handgun and a bigger gun. His ID card was hanging in a thread around his neck, while the other equipment he needed for a "routine check" was behind him in a steel-colored trolley or suitcase.

Are you saying he was wearing a diver's kind of wet suit? The ones made out of neoprene rubber? Those are pretty difficult to put on and take off. Why would he be wearing this? Was he planning on swimming off the island? And why would he be towing a trolley when he drove the white delivery van off the dock?

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by pshea38

 

People are not getting that this could be another faked event.
The timeline, lack of response, poor quality video, photoshopped psycho killer etc. ect.
We live in an age of Media Fakery and this reeks of media fakery.
This should be the First possibility people investigate, in this day and age.

I never thought of that and I should have since I have first hand knowledge of MEDIA FAKERY.

I was in a Riot at college right after Kent State. Film footage of the riot was shown nation wide. (Frightening Mom half to death)

Just one little problem. I was on campus the whole day but there was NO RIOT. Even more suspicious was no one else but me in the dorm got a call from their parents. This means there was a state wide blackout on the "News" of the riot at the state's Big Ten University.

In the dinning room I just got blank stares when I brought the subject up.

That's what we are up against son. That's where the world is at.
Media Fakery Is Systematic and can be seen to play a dominant role in events like 9/11,
Madrid and London bombings etc.

People seem to be slow to realise that Most of these visual events could and indeed have been
created using computer generated virtual reality imaging software, and we have been Duped
into believing that Animated Cartoons and photographs represent reality.
We really should be wiser, in this the Age of Computers.

Think of the 1990's movies Jurassic park, Independance day and spiderman. (Similar software
is thought to have been used in the movie of the destruction of the two towers on 9/11, as was
used on the scenes showing the destruction of the skyscraper and white house in
Independance day).
Even though the effects were stunning, I slept soundly, having no fear of encountering
man-eating dinosaurs in the night, after seeing jurassic park.
We need to recognise movies when we see them.

This is what we are seeing in Norway, and what we have been seeing for a long time
now, over the course of many (non)events.
We really need to snap out of it and Start Suspending Belief Quicksmart, when we are on the
lookout for and witness, Badly fffFaked fffFlicks. FFS.

Media Fakery Is Everywhere

Originally posted by odyseusz
What about this? One more time someone is playing cards.

Take a look at subtitle of the main title.
"Nobel laureate sought for questioning"

Oslo is place where Nobel Peace Prize are granted every year. This year one of candidates for this prize is Wikiliks. This candidature was submitted by the deputy of ruling socialist coalition in Norway. Andreas Brevik bombed buildings of their Government. Meanwhile Juliana Assang creator of Wikiliks nominated to the Nobel Peace Prize is waiting for his extradition to Sweden.

Have anyone better resolution of this card? I thing there could be other some interesting contents there.

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Great find odyseus. This says a lot to me.
Noble Laureate indicates Norway and Norway is a distraction. But from what?
Murdock, Libya, Japan (possibly all contrived events also) etc.
Something big in Africa i'm betting, maybe Ethiopia?

Anyway it is a joke headline on the card, indicating that the whole Norway saga is a joke
i.e. a fakery, from beginning to end, and is itself simply a means to an end.
It's cleaner, easier and tidier to fake this whole scenario and perfectly possible using
even basic technology.
Faked Virtual scenes, Faked Virtual characters, actors and green screens, faked victims
and props, all thrown in the mix to produce a (flawed)narrative and second-rate movie.
This is a Faked False Flag Distraction Storyline and this explanations accounts for most of the
inconsistencies and bizarre behaviours and poor quality photographs and footage that are
already oozing from the storys core.

The card implies the perpetrators of the HOAX have complete control over the media.

Why are people so slow in realising that the Fakery scenario is a distinct possibility?
I don't get it! It seems so obvious.
When are otherwise intelligent people going to take their heads from their arses,
when it comes to the issue of Media Fakery and Its prevalence in Virtually every
major news story. It is something you can easily clarify for yourself.

Oslo+Utoya Media Fakery

Systematic Media Fakery

reply to post by pshea38

People will "snap out of it" when something happens to them, personally. Right now, everything is everyone elses problems...and that's just NOT the case. Look at the threats the whitehouse is using regarding Social Security...kinda reminds me of Bush and the bailouts. It seems to me...that the rich are getting richer...and the poor are just being played for the SUCKERS they are. By the time people..."snap out of it" they'll be eating beans in a can...singing "Koombayah"....in tent city! "Snapping" is not gonna work.....someone needs to RING THE ALARM! B-RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGG! FIRE!!!!!!!

It's also kinda weird that NO ONE is talking about this...but they sure were screaming foul about the Casey Anthony case. I'm telling you......the people in today's society...are slowing LOSING THEIR MINDS! What is going on with PEOPLE........in GENERAL???? Too much television? Prescription drugs? Television? Oh yeah, right...i forgot....everyone KNOWS television is only for entertainment.

Question: is it POSSIBLE...to create manchurian candidates...using television as the hypnotic device???

it just seems that this guy was a very highly trained sniper

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
You have to realise that Norway and its police are not very efficient. They just could not envisage a situation like as occurred. They are completely without the training required to deal with terrorism. They do not have the weapons required nor the experience where with which to stop the like of Breivik. The Norwegian police are not even in possession of a helicopter. Thus it took the police far too long to get to the island of Utoeya in the Trjifjorden Lake even though the distance from Oslo is relatively little. Norway is really just an Arctic Circle frozen wasteland back water of the European main land. Its a fact that Norwegians are like "hillbilly" in that they just do not know how to deal with this kind of terrorist activity. Obviously in the aftermath of this tragic event the Norwegians and the Swedish are going to get to be a bit sharper than has been the case in the past. The man Breivik is not even being charged as a murderer. Only being charged with a public disorder offense. He is only going to be in custudy for eight weeks and then might be allowed out on bail. Under Norwegian law he will only ever serve a maximum of twenty one years in prison and will then at the age of 53 be as free as a bird and might even run to be a future Prime Minister of Norway. All this softly softly approach by the Norwegian police is because in Norway he and others like him are seen as being patriotic and essential in their national defence against communism. Notice that the children he killed were all members of the presently in power Norwegian Labour Party. Most Norwegians are in the far right politically since they are willing to use NATO nuclear weapons to mass murder anyone that can be labelled communist. To such persons who own land and property what the man Breivik has done is exactly what they want to do as well. Only on a larger scale. In deed the political right wing control every branch of life in the western world and are just waiting for their chance to launch nuclear genocide against the communists anywhere and everywhere. Breivik is one of their boys so I am sure that some day in the future he will be issued with a medal for his conduct on the Friday 22 July 2011. There are those who will turn the anniversary of that day into a national holiday "Saint Breivik Day". Even the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church might give him a beatification. No doubt the powers that be will not want us to use the nasty words like "terrorist" or "terrorism" to describe what Breivik has done. To them he is not just a patriot, but more importantly, he is a "Christian", who can do anything, no matter how evil, because by the blood of their messiah their sins are washed away. Thus by such "Christian" doctrines they are without any conscience and are capable of premeditatedly, in cold blood, totally calm about it, committing the crime of mass murder, such that it is called genocide. Notice that Breivik is by his own admission a freemason and thus according to my comprehension he is perverting the word "Christian" since being a Freemason and being a Christian are morally incompatable. A confict of morality.

The law that I live by and which is holding us all bonded is called PRAECEPTAE CAELENIUM (tm). I did not read it in a book. You will not find it in any book. It was revealed to me by audio clairvoyance during the celebrations of the New Millennium in 2000. Summed up it basically means no sex and no drugs and no violence. (1) From eternity to eternity, infinity to infinity, there be the one absolute. The One God there be no other God. Her names are many but she be the one true God. The one judge there be no other judge. (2) La Deus Nostra, Notre Dame, Our Lady, The Holy Spirit, the cause the maker Cosmica. (3) Angelic [celestial immortal] powers of truth and beauty and righteousness be sure to be loving her above with all your mind and with all your heart and with all your strength. (4) So as to be pleasing to her above therefore do not be serving the masculine. (5) Do not be and do not allow masculinity into positions of government. (6) Honour and respect the virgin pureness of the christae. (7) Honour and respect the Immaculate Conception [parthenogenesis] reproductive process of the christae. (8) Do not fornicate or adulterate or sodomize. (9) Do not bully or torture or murder. (10) Do not lie. (11) Do not steal. (12) Do not be covetous. (13) Do not be jealous. Copyright (c) NGL 2000.

He who trusts in violence to be his security cannot speak that he trusts in God to be his security.

AVE RAEGINA CAELINA LA DEUS NOSTRA CAELI LA VERA DEUS

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What in God's name are you talking about?

The question that I have for the media is:
How did he buy those weapons or how did he get the police costume without anyone noticing.
You can't do this without some kind of "support".

Just an oddity, twitter does not display posts on the #otoya from the period in question. "No older posts available"

Some excellent comments here, from the timing, to the police blunders, etc. There's something in it, yes it was all very confusing, but almost 1 and a half hours *gone* ???

The "Tweezer killer" card is also a curiosity.

Originally posted by Twisteron
it just seems that this guy was a very highly trained sniper

Sure - snipers walk around all day calling out to people in a distinctive uniform.

This is exactly why the shooters at Columbine, in the USA were able to kill so many, because the police waited for Special Units.

You don't need Delta force, SWAT, special Ops or anything like that, just trained police officers willing to do their job and have the courage to stop an assault like this.

Policy in the USA now is engage an active shooter, first on scene.

Statistics are that active shooters like these are not expecting to be engaged, that is why they pick on easy targets, basically they are cowards. Most end up committing suicide because they are cowards.

Originally posted by starviego

More police excuses:


www.telegraph.co.uk...
-- Police have been accused of a series of mistakes in their response to the shootings. There were a series of delays even as Breivik was shooting his victims; an overloaded boat carrying officers to the island started sinking into the lake; the first police officers to the scene stopped before crossing to the island, to wait for specialist backup; and the Delta-force armed unit which was trained to deal with terrorist attacks had to go by land from Oslo because no helicopters were available.

reply to post by starviego


He didn't drive the van, but a a small silver-colored car. The ferry only took people.
I guess he had his uniform and bulletproof vest in the trolley (suitcase on wheels)!

Originally posted by nakiel
reply to post by starviego

 

He didn't drive the van, but a a small silver-colored car. The ferry only took people.
I guess he had his uniform and bulletproof vest in the trolley (suitcase on wheels)!

This story only gets more confusing.

The ferry only took people? Then how did that large white delivery van, seen in all the aerial photos, get on the island?

www.dailymail.co.uk...
Simen Braende Mortensen, a guard on the boat to Utoya Island, told VG newspaper he saw a man, aged between 30 to 40-years-old, in a police uniform and bulletproof vest drive on to the Labour Party-owned boat in a silver van.

How many people have died (excluding 9/11) because of a terrorist attack like this (anywhere outside the middle Eastern countries that have been invaded)? More people die from accidents in their own home.

Look, we all know we don't live in a bubble. Shxx happens! Aberrant human behavior like this causes crime. Insurance companies make lots of money by covering bets on mortality. How many people have died from other causes like starvation, disease, transportation accidents, etc.? If you were the President or PM of a country, what would be the most practical efficient way to spend BILLIONS to save human lives? What individual responsibility do people have to protect themselves from a threat?

The expansion of government control to take away your freedom in order to protect you from a low probability threat is not acceptable IMHO. That is why the false flag threats have to continue. People seem to feel more reassured if their fear factor and personal freedom is reduced through government action. There are NO guarantees!

What would be the fatality count on that island if all those people on the island rushed the guy before he could reload? What happened on Flight 93? Sometimes people have to be courageous taking their own action when they can instead of relying on the government to solve the problem. It seems that Norway did not have a plan for this type of event. I'll bet they will develop one now.

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He bought the weapons legally by obtaining permits after taking training and holding memberships at gun clubs. Norway has a hunting culture and it is relatively easy to obtain gun licenses.

reply to post by starviego


The Oslo Bomb was in a Brown Wolkswagen Crafter rented from Avis
He drove a silver gray Fiat Doblo to the Island; also from Avis.
The ferry only took cars who belonged to the people who worked there.
I believe the white "bislet.no -rental" Mercedes Sprinter was used by the sound technicians working at the camp.

reply to post by nakiel


Thanks for the info. So why would he leave extra weapons in his car, which is parked on the other side of the water, inacessible to him?

www.thedailybeast.com...
In his car several other weapons were found, including machine pistols, after the arrest.

Also, has there been any word on if this person ever adopted the 'goth'; lifestyle back in high school? It seems not much is known of his life before the attacks.

Originally posted by starviego
reply to post by nakiel

 

Thanks for the info. So why would he leave extra weapons in his car, which is parked on the other side of the water, inacessible to him?

www.thedailybeast.com...
In his car several other weapons were found, including machine pistols, after the arrest.

Also, has there been any word on if this person ever adopted the 'goth'; lifestyle back in high school? It seems not much is known of his life before the attacks.

He did have a wetsuit on. This would suggest that he had considered swimming away from the Island, and getting back to the vehicle. Clearly, guns aren't very good to take on a long swim. So he had some ready.

He didn't EXPECT to be able to keep going, but on the chance he could he had prepared.

In this article an eye witness says he came with the ferry from Utoya and met the killer at the port on the mainland. So the killer definitely used the Utoya ferry to get across. But as we know the last ferry was scheduled to leave at 15:50, making this very strange since the tabloid magazines says he came to Utoya at 17:07 and the police said they were first notified at 17:27. Also, if there were extra schedules that is unannounced then there still is between 1 hour and 1 hour 30 minutes that is unaccounted for in the killers activities that day.

Also, why has the police today only announced four names of the dead? Is the identification progress really that slow? I mean, its been five days and only four bodies have been identified? Don't make sense to me.

Originally posted by Acharya
In this article an eye witness says he came with the ferry from Utoya and met the killer at the port on the mainland. So the killer definitely used the Utoya ferry to get across. But as we know the last ferry was scheduled to leave at 15:50, making this very strange since the tabloid magazines says he came to Utoya at 17:07 and the police said they were first notified at 17:27. Also, if there were extra schedules that is unannounced then there still is between 1 hour and 1 hour 30 minutes that is unaccounted for in the killers activities that day.

Also, why has the police today only announced four names of the dead? Is the identification progress really that slow? I mean, its been five days and only four bodies have been identified? Don't make sense to me.

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I'm going take a wild guess and consider the slow response and lack of resources. I'll bet that they are short staffed and can't release the names until the victims have been positively identified and all of the family have been notified. Forensic evidence has to be obtained as well. Maybe there was family request for privacy? This may take some time.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by johncarter
reply to post by nunya13

 

The video I posted sais that he took the ferry over to the island and the woman Monica on the same ferry became suspcious and walked up to the house you see on the hill above the bridge and warned the off duty cop/security officer on the island. Breivik shot them both with his M14 and dumdum bullets.

Here is another video showing the SWAT team arriving to the isalnd and the first youths running towards them in horror. I think you can hear some gunfire in the background during the first seconds of the movie.

SWAT Team arrives to island

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Hmmm. I'll have to re-read the article I flagged that was slightly different than this account. Not terrilby different though. I have it on another computer.

Okay here it is.

www.heraldsun.com.au...

Breivik raised suspicions again moments prior to his shooting spree at Utoya, The Times reported.

The woman in charge of organising the island camp became apprehensive after going to pick him up from the mainland in a boat. When the boat arrived at Utoya she took him to the police officer stationed on the island. Breivik shot both of them dead.

I'll quote this again, as this report suggests that he was picked up by boat.