Norway shooting suspect attacked multiculturalism online

As I skim rapidly over the contents and a few key parts of that 1500-page thing, it is starting to appear that he conceived of his organization as cellular in nature, and his order appears to have a self-appointed membership. Thus he is attempting to create a self-propagating, meme-like stucture. Similar, dare I say it...to the ethos of certain online groups with self-appointed members that have been in the news recently. Only this man's structure seems far more defined. Is he trying to set an example and unleash a dark, real-world "meme" ?

He claims to have made millions of Euro's in his 20's. He applied those same smarts to methodically plan and execute his sick plans. Being mentally ill does not mean dumb, by a long shot.

Serious mental illness along the lines of psychosis often is associated with a lack of appropriate emotion towards people or other living things. They can feign emotion, but it is fake.

Reading thru his diary is ever so more sickening because of the humour he inserts willy-nilly amidst the macabre plans for self martyrdom involving the destruction of others. How many lols are there throughout?

This guy's intelligence is not in question here; only his sanity.

reply to post by silent thunder


Yes, I think so - from what I gather, he appears to have done this to appeal to other right wing groups to do the same. I think his actions were to provoke a war, which explains why he allowed himself to be arrested, plus his comments about revealing more in court...

Originally posted by Tib50

Originally posted by spacedonk

whatever label is applied it is also inevitable, we must integrate culturally to reduce/end wars on earth,

No, we don't have to "integrate culturally to end wars". Chairman Tito tried that in Yugoslavia, remember? Forcing every ethnic and cultural group into one mishmash, each smouldering with resentment in their hearts at this totalitarian system.

Your words are standard Marxist propaganda, also pushed by the Globalist Mafia, to crush every last spark of freedom of thought and individuality out of humanity, making us easier to control. If you want to be a slave, go ahead.

"Forcing every ethnic and cultural group into one mishmash, each smouldering with resentment in their hearts...

We should never force cultural integration but I feel we must do nothing to discourage it either. I do not see where such willing integration would harm a society but could well become its strength.

I could easily see where a policy of separatism could be harmful though.

Thread killer -

They suggest that the man was intelligent, yet he failed to understand how Europe came into being. We are ALL immigrants. We are all the result of immigration or invasion. His Europe would not exist without the very thing he claims to be against.

The man is not intelligent, he is deranged. Just like Hitler was, and every "nationalist" before and since.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by 2012srb
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

That's mature.

Have you considered the possibility that the man is mentally ill?

They don't exactly think logically.

Oh so he just happened to be the mentally ill guy who thought logically only long enough to plan a killing spree using a police disguise?

He HAPPENED to think logically long enough to figure out how to rig a car bomb?

Damn I wish I could be PART TIME mentally ill..

Why are you under the impression someone who is mentally unstable wouldn't be able to plan and execute something complicated?

mentally disturbed psychopath isnt the same as downs syndrome.

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It's good to see you posting in the same thread as me again, Wayno. Your insight is always appreciated.

What do you suppose separates a psychopathic personality like this that lashes out, versus the more non-violent "corporate sociopath/psychopath" type?

What i fear most is the following:

A copy cat killer does the same, but attacks innocent muslims.

Muslims get enraged and retaliate attacking innocent white people...

repeat...

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Mental illness and organized behavior are not mutually exclusive.

Nice try though.

While this man is not stupid, in some ways he has nevertheless allowed himself to be duped, and used by another larger entity. He. like the "suicide bomber" has been convinced by others that he will be rewarded in heaven for his dastardly deeds.

How is he any different? He was an empty shell unable to form more than superficial bonds with anyone. He was a rich loser. His life was pointless and meaningless outside of the bizarre, ultra right wing terror group that was happy to use him.

Very sad, but no answer to all those parents who have lost their precious sons and daughters so violently.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
What i fear most is the following:

A copy cat killer does the same, but attacks innocent muslims.

Muslims get enraged and retaliate attacking innocent white people...

repeat...

There really is so much to fear (as always, right?)

This is starting to look like a very sophisiticated program. It could provide a readymade ideological/tactical "toolkit" for any disinfranchised person to pick up on and use...or modify. I fear the following scenario:

A) On one side, populaces are squeezed by their governments, and by the various pressures of crumbling economies and a declining world. Thus marginalizing a larger and larger number of people.
B) On the other side, all these newly marginalized people can tap into some kind of powerful cellular-structured self-propagating meme that gives them "direction."

Originally posted by spacedonk

Originally posted by Tib50

Originally posted by KilrathiLG
reply to post by Erongaricuaro

 

from reading the rants of his he thought multiculturalism and Communism were the same thing (in his eyes) so it wasent the just dislike for multi culturalizim but a wanting to label socialism,facisim,and multiculturalizim to all be painted with the same brush as naziizm atleast thats what i got from it

They ARE the same thing! "Multiculturalism" is just "Cultural Marxism" in disguise, deliberately designed to destroy the ethnic and national identity of the "target country" from within. The Nazis were also Socialists.

whatever label is applied it is also inevitable, we must integrate culturally to reduce/end wars on earth, we will need solidarity as we depart for the stars otherwise instead of the US v Iraq it will be the Earth v Mars.

edit on 23-7-2011 by spacedonk because: (no reason given)

You obviously do not understand the ramifications of "cultural integration" as regards islamics. They have NO intention of "integration". Their sole stated goal is total world domination. The only "integration" they do will be simply that which is necessary to overwhelm the population they migrate to and destroy them. It would be nice if your concept of "cultural integration" would work and allow everyone to live in peace and harmony together. It simply will not work any more than if you were naive enough to go in a cage full of tigers with a bowl of milk to feed the "nice kitty".

Originally posted by expat2368


You obviously do not understand the ramifications of "cultural integration" as regards islamics. They have NO intention of "integration". Their sole stated goal is total world domination. The only "integration" they do will be simply that which is necessary to overwhelm the population they migrate to and destroy them.

Funny how all you have to do is replace 'islamics' with 'Christians' or 'americans' and it would be equally true.

ATS sure is full of people who like bashing muslims.

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What do you suppose separates a psychopathic personality like this that lashes out, versus the more non-violent "corporate sociopath/psychopath" type?

Just a matter of degree I suppose. The "system" accommodates the corporate variety pretty well; giving them cover and a certain amount of acclaim so long as their dirty laundry remains un-aired.

If there were some way to objectively assess the outcome in terms of net harm to others; I'm not sure there would be all that much difference between them. How many lives have been lost and nature destroyed in the name of the diamond trade, oil, or pick whatever individual big business enterprise?

I am sure it is more than the 90 or so we have here in many cases. We just don't hear about them, or the association isn't made in the MSM.

This man is certainly an extreme egoist.

His thoughts give off the acrid tang of the fanatic. From Page 854:

I have never in my life felt that I have done anything more meaningful than what I am doing now regardless of the lack of moral support from my founding brothers or other armed resistance fighters. Support from our extremely distributed and anonymous “non-hierarchy” out there would be nice but I have managed to cope through mental discipline to become what I am today; a self driven and highly effective manifestation of an independent resistance cell. I have managed to stay focused and highly motivated for a duration of more than 9 years now. I feel really happy about my current course. In fact, I have never been happier than I am today and I do not find it problematical hide my true ideological agenda from everyone else.

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They have NO intention of "integration". Their sole stated goal is total world domination. The only "integration" they do will be ...

What reckoning or authority allows you to lump every Muslim into one ball with a statement about what "they" all want? What makes you think "they" all want the same thing?

Some may indeed want the things you state, and have said as much. As for the rest, and of what proportion of the total they may be, you have absolutely nothing to say, because you, and we don't know what each and every one of them think.

Of one thing I am sure. There is probably as wide a range and variance of opinions amongst Muslims as there is amongst any other sub-group of humans.

Trying to tar them all with the same brush just makes you look like a silly "you know what". I don't actually have to say it, do I?

reply to post by silent thunder


It looks from your quote like he was even too extreme for the group he aspired to and was rejected by them. This story is getting sadder all the time.

It looks, hopefully, that while there are apparently many other people all over Europe who have an earnest desire for more nationalist societies, most of them apparently don't plan to execute such severe strategies.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
... I think his actions were to provoke a war, which explains why he allowed himself to be arrested, plus his comments about revealing more in court...

I flashed back to another psychopath and his plans, Charles Manson and his Helter Skelter. Ugly and sickening.

Anders Behring Breivik made this post.

www.americanpendulum.com...

2009-12-03 01:21:04
Hlund, Fjordman, Hårstad, Rust

I’m NOK much later in the game than him when I have only been politically active for 13 years. I førstegenerasjonsdhimmi (Generation Y). I was active Oslo FrP / FpU in the first 6-7 years (in the cultural conservatives + laissez faire capitalist / liberal camp) and contributed to the Progress Party’s success before I stopped. I felt the time was more important to help develop / promote the political doctrines abroad especially British, German, French, American). I ran the business a few years while I studied and earned a few million so I could finance a inntektsløs politically active life. I now use these funds to be able to work full time to further develop / promote the Vienna Academy (Vienna school of thought) that Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer + many others have already contributed so much till. The last three years I worked full time with a cultural conservative works that will help to further develop / promote these political doctrines further.

Anyway, I consider the future consolidation of the cultural conservative forces on all seven fronts as the most important in Norway and in all Western European countries. It is essential that we work to ensure that all these 7 fronts using the Vienna school of thought, or at least parts of the grunlag for 20-70 year-struggle that lies in front of us.

The book is called, by the way 2083 and is in English, 1100 pages).

To sums up the Vienna school of thought:

- Cultural Conservatism (anti-multiculturalism)
- Against Islamization
- Anti-racist
- Anti-authoritarian (resistance to all authoritarian ideologies of hate)
- Pro-Israel/forsvarer of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries
- Defender of the cultural aspects of Christianity
- To reveal the Eurabia project and the Frankfurt School (ny-marxisme/kulturmarxisme/multikulturalisme)
- Is not an economic policy and can collect everything from socialists to capitalists

Frankfurt School (kulturmarxisme) is a very ambitious unofficial ideology (and quite unknown to most) and they have succeeded in most areas (except to smash capitalism, European Christianity and European identity, traditions, culture). Vienna school is more a defense against this where we often use the Marxist ‘own creations against them (sexual liberation, feminism, liberalism, anti-racism, anti-autoriære arguments).

Vienna school of thought is far from a complete ideology but consists of principles and ideas that are constantly under development. It is unofficial and does not necessarily ever to be recognized.

He speaks of Bat Ye'or.She has provided briefings to the United Nations and the U.S. Congress and has given talks at major universities.

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He speaks of Robert Spencer who runs Jihad Watch.

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www.jihadwatch.org...

Anders Behring Breivik also made this post.

2009-09-07 09:23:59
Such cases must be considered together with similar cases where the media consistently ignores issues related to Muslim riots.

All remember the July riots in Marseilles and other French cities where the media were instructed not to report the news.

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...

One can only wonder how many riots have been in France or other countries that we have never heard of. It is in the process of developing a trend in Western Europe where there is full acceptance that the media can suppressing such cases.

He also qouted this artilce on Atlas Shruggs.

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...

That article was posted to Atlas Shruggs by Pamela Geller she also runs that site. She was once called the darling of the Tea Party and wanted it to join with the English Defence League.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Heres a picture with Pamela Gellar with Robert Spencer.



Heres some article from loon watch about the above people with details on them.

www.loonwatch.com...

www.loonwatch.com...

So is this guys crazy ideas already in America or were they born here? I still would like to know more about this secret Vienna school of thought. And I find the part about the presentation for his website to the secretary at the Israeli Embassy and being told how to go about it and who to work with strange.

And I noticed this about some of the people mentioned above that knew this Norway gunman.

www.redcounty.com...

Frequent FOX News Contributors Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer to Visit Tampa Bay, Premiere Film, Report on Ground Zero Mosque and the World Trade Center 9/11 Memorial.

Pamela Geller, leading opponent of the Ground Zero Mosque, Editor/Publisher of the widely popular and award-winning website www.AtlasShrugs.com and Robert Spencer, New York Times bestselling author of nine books on Islam and jihad who has led seminars on those subjects for the US Army, the FBI, and the US intelligence community, and Director of www.JihadWatch.org, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, will screen and discuss their new documentary:

So was his ideas born here? He sure was friends with people in the US.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
What i fear most is the following:

A copy cat killer does the same, but attacks innocent muslims.

Muslims get enraged and retaliate attacking innocent white people...

repeat...

That's what I'm thinking man,

Some nutter (like this guy), some EDL/BNP moron..... walking into a mosque fully tooled up with a powerful gun, just starts spraying... and then that's it.

As you say, repeat, reverse situations and attackers...... it all becomes crazy.

Man.....