"Tea Party GOP Drives US Towards Catastrophic Default, World Panic"

reply to post by inforeal
Nobody invented the tea party. These people are ordinary folks who some may or may not have voted for Obama. Most I'm sure didn't. More likely they voted for the lesser of two evils.

These people just see where the leadership in both parties have taken us and they are upset at all big spenders, big government dopes and they understand you can't spend more than you take in. Even if it is someone else's money.

Blame the tea party for a socialist, pathetic, wasp of a man usurper. GOOD, Good, Good. Just keep drinking the koolaid they ask you to drink!

reply to post by beezzer


How can you say "the left" is stupid... what is stupid is calling any opposition to the tea party, or republicans, is the left.... why can't we all be in the center???

Do we need social programs.... yes!!!
- do you want to see grandparents sitting on the curb, or suffering because they cannot afford healthcare on their own? I don't
- on the same token, I don't want to see people abusing the welfare system and the unemployment compensation systems. I was on unemployment for a while and it saved me, but I know plenty of others who wish to stay on it until they cannot draw anymore... not cool.

Do we need an army and better weapons.... yes!!!
- do we need to be the world's police? No.


What we need to do is start asking better questions, because they will lead to better answers. Having the left/right debate is STUPID beyond comprehension. Both 'extremes' cling to their dogmatic beliefs because career politicians use such fallacies to stay in office.

I learned a long time ago there are three sides to every story.... "my side" - "the truth" - "your side" ... the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. The same can be applied to solving problems through the democratic process. There is "my idea" - "the best solution for everyone" - "your idea"....

Break a broken system quickly or break a broken system slowly; the officials currently running thing would have to make a serious effort to fix the spending problem they have to convince me they should have the debt limit raised and their credit extended.

It is unlikely they will ever prove themselves to be "good for it", sad though it is we know what tends to happen when people default on debt, but it is an inevitability inherent in the current power structure; there is no telling how slow and deadly the crawling decline will be if we continue to allow our leaders to spend money they don't have.

It is irresponsible to spend money you can't repay and the public was lectured and scolded for the very same type of spending when the recession first hit. God forbid should let them forget something like that.

Everyone said this would happen. Even though the Tea Party is new they would figure out a way to demonize it. Well here you go, they are attempting to demonize the Tea Party by blaming them for problems they could not have caused. The governments debt, and deficit spending is the fault of the current administration, and the administrations before it plain and simple.

reply to post by inforeal

It’s very simple. The rich right wingers, like the Koch brothers, created the Tea party in order to deceive people in this (deficit is bad scam) that includes a philosophy of (no new taxes).

I am not and have never been a part of the Tea Party but even I know that is an absolute LIE!

The Tea parties origins were the 2008 Ron Paul Campaign: Paul is called the Father of the Tea Party.

...On June 12, 2008 Paul announced that he was ending the presidential campaign, investing the more than $4.7 million of remaining campaign contributions to build up the new advocacy group Campaign for Liberty.[15]...

...out of all the Republican candidates, he had the most support from African-Americans.[4] Ron Paul's campaign set two fund raising records: the largest single day donation total among Republican candidates and twice receiving the most money received via the Internet in a single day by any presidential candidate in American history.[5] Paul's run for president is also noted for its grassroots social networking, facilitated by the Internet.[6] Ron Paul's enthusiastic supporters were noted by the media, who called them "Paulites".[7][8]

Paul receives most of his contributions from individuals, at ninety-seven percent; compare to other candidates.[9]

en.wikipedia.org...

Paul was a real honest grass roots candidate not Astrotuff funded by the Elite Cartels foundations.

One other clue. The elite are a select group of theultra- wealthy. Like any Clique there are outsiders. I KNOW this for a fact because I watched them try to destroy an up & comer who stepped on their toes. He was a better businessman and actually rather ethical, so they tried to wipe him out and did a pretty good job of it.

Originally posted by inforeal
None of the posts above understand that the Tea Party is a corporate shill; it is not even a legitimate movement. You should try reading what Tarpley says about who invented them—right-wing PTB.

Also, they are threatening to bring down the economic system because of their adherence to no taxes for the rich, they don’t really care about the deficit. If they had they would have made a deal with Obama.

The only good that can come from a default is that people finally will see the Tea party and their Republican conservative matrix for what they truly are.

I'm surprised more people don't know this.

reply to post by Whatsreal

The same can be applied to solving problems through the democratic process. There is "my idea" - "the best solution for everyone" - "your idea"....

Unfortunately we now have the "Right" controled by the elite and the "Left" controlled by the elite putting on a Dog and Pony show for the masses whilst they rob us blind.

Only SIX men in one hundred years tried to stop the process. The either caved-in (got bought/blackmailed) or were destroyed.

If you have any doubts at all about the CRIMINAL INTENT of those who conspired on Jekyll Island to bring about the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Here are the words of the organizer, Nelson W. Aldrich, the greatest TRAITOR in the history of the USA.

This was spoken just before the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, so he was fully aware of what he was doing to his country.

Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none is so effectual as that which deludes them with paper money. It is the most perfect expedient ever invented for fertilizing the rich man’s fields by the sweat of the poor man’s brow. Ordinary tyranny, oppression, excessive taxation, these bear lightly on the happiness of the community compared with fraudulent currencies and the robberies committed by depreciated paper. [inflation cv] Our own history has recorded enough, and more than enough, of the demoralizing tendency, the injustice and intolerable oppression on the virtuous and well disposed, of a degraded paper currency, authorized by law, or in any way countenanced by Government. ~Nelson W. Aldrich, United States Senator, at a New York City dinner speech on October 15, 1913 IV Proceedings of the Academy of Political Science #1, at 38 (Columbia University, New York (1914)). [He was quoting Andrew Jackson. cv] www.linuxtoday.com...

thankfully for america GETTING DOWN GRADED is not gonna happin regardless of the tea party....unless wall street and corp. america give their blessing.

THIS IS A GAME.

most don't understand it.

THE RATINGS agency's are American......they would be RAIDED and shut down if they dropped america's credit rating from AAA.....unless it was for some reason ok'd by corporate america.

THE media is trying to get everyone against the Tea party for being reckless. they are trying to say no more spending.....etc etc.....more than just a political ploy to garner support for the republican party....THE BEST THING to get outta this WHOLE DEBT discussion/debate mess would be if the cuts were FOCUSED on F'N special interstes and Corporate lobbyists. Gee they wouldn't know what to do ...first they would cry for not getting their way...then they would ...? throw more money at congressmen....refuse to fund their re-election campaings.....black list them from certain post-congress private sector jobs in their industry's..... C how the game is played.

the solution if you think counter intuitively is to INCREASE The pay of congressmen (breathe) so they they WORK FOR YOU i.e we pay them off.....so they work for us ...otherwise they WILL continue to work for big corporations big industry....and we will continue to whine to no avial.

The intentions of the US government to collapse the country in order to bring in "Global Governance" has been made VERY VERY plain to anyone who is awake.

It looks like they want to make the Tea Party a scape goat to save their own hides. The date for the final collapse has actually now been set.

I am not kidding or spouting lies I have concrete data to back it up so I suggest you read it ATSers.

The foretelling:

Just before the formation of the World Trade Organization in 1995:
David Rockefeller speaking on Sept. 23, 1994 "This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long — We are on the verge of a global transformation."

Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel, April 19th 199: "The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."

David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting in June of 1991 - "the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National auto determination practiced in past centuries" QUOTES

Strong on national sovereignty at the opening session of the 1992 Earth Summit...

"The concept of national sovereignty has been an immutable, indeed sacred, principle of international relations. It is a principle which will yield only slowly and reluctantly to the new imperatives of global environmental cooperation. It is simply not feasible for sovereignty to be exercised unilaterally by individual nation states, however powerful. The global community must be assured of environmental security." -Maurice Strong at the 1992 Earth Summit. www.nationalcenter.org...

However everyone has ignored these warning signs, calling us tinfoil hat nuts. So they have gotten more bold.

The "IDEA" becomes solid

Strong served on the U.N.-funded Commission on Global Governance. The Commission's final report, "Our Global Neighborhood" sets forth detailed plans to achieve what is called "Global Governance."

Our Global Neighborhood

Report of the Commission on Global Governance
(ISBN 0-19-827998-1; Published by Oxford University Press, 1995)
A Summary Analysis

The Commission on Global Governance has released its recommendations in preparation for a World Conference on Global Governance, scheduled for 1998, at which official world governance treaties are expected to be adopted for implementation by the year 2000. Among those recommendations are specific proposals to expand the authority of the United Nations to provide:

* Global taxation;
* A standing UN army;
* An Economic Security Council;
* UN authority over the global commons;
* An end to the veto power of permanent members of the Security Council;
* A new parliamentary body of "civil society" representatives (NGOs);
* A new "Petitions Council";
* A new Court of Criminal Justice; (Accomplished in July, 1998 in Rome)
* Binding verdicts of the International Court of Justice;
* Expanded authority for the Secretary General.

...."Next to life, liberty is what people value most," the report says. It also says: "The impulse to possess turf is a powerful one for all species; yet it is one that people must overcome." It also says: "global rules of custom constrain the freedom of sovereign states," and "sensitivity over the relationship between international responsibility and national sovereignty [is a] considerable obstacle to the leadership at the international level,"/ and "Although states are sovereign, they are not free individually to do whatever they want." /.... sovereignty.net...

A year ago in The Global Journal this article appeared Of What Use is Global Governance? written by Pascal Lamy, Director, World Trade Organization (WTO) He speaks of the European Union as sort of an intermediate stage.

...the very incarnation of an international organization of integration in which Member States have agreed to relinquish sovereignty in order to strengthen the coherence and effectiveness of their actions.

...If there is one place on earth where new forms of global governance have been tested since the Second World War, it is in Europe. European integration is the most ambitious supranational governance experience ever undertaken. It is the story of interdependence desired, defined, and organized by the Member States. In no respect is the work complete—neither geographically nor in terms of depth (i.e., the powers conferred by the Member States to the E.U.), nor, obviously, in terms of identity....

Our challenge today is to establish a system of global governance that provides a better balance between leadership, effectiveness, and legitimacy on the one hand, and coherence on the other...

And lastly there is "Global Governance 2025" by by US & EU Intelligence Agencies courtesy of Freedom of Information Act, at cia.gov.


The Atlantic Council has a summary HERE

This report analyzes the gap between current international governance institutions, organizations and norms and the demands for global governance likely to be posed by long-term strategic challenges over the next 15 years. The report is the product of research and analysis by the NIC and EUISS following a series of international dialogues co-organized by the Atlantic Council, TPN, and other partner organizations in Beijing, Tokyo, Dubai, New Delhi, Pretoria, Sao Paulo & Brasilia, Moscow, and Paris. ....

THAT is what our tax money and the blood of our Sons and Daughters is paying for around the global. The ushering in of "Global Governance"

TAX IMPORTS NOT WAGES!

Tax on imports = excise tax, see graph: