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"FBI raided my house with a search warrant today, 13 year old son arrested"

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posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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It sure could be true...it so happens I know a kid in the family who had swat swarm his house because he hacked credit card accounts and got a bunch of stuff online he ordered with the credit card numbers, he was 13. They did they very same thing to him...so it is very possible.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Everyone involved in the FBI is connected to multiple international crimes, or have you forgotten the ongoing kidnapping and torture programs known as "extraordinary rendition"?

The FBI has been a criminal outfit since its gay, transvestite gambling addict director, J. Edgar Hoover, got into bed with and protected the Mafia while blackmailing politicians.

The FBI gets no respect, credibility, or anything but contempt from me.

They are a government sanctioned criminal outfit, period.

Going after 13 year-olds is par for course for them.

Go Anonymous...expose the criminals, bring down the houses of crime and exploitation.

Make a difference

For the mom:

Fight back with perception: cast the FBI agents as incompetent (use the phony search warrant to start: a copy without seals should be presumed phony) child molesters and terrorists. They are certainly molesting your son's mind and spirit and terrorizing him.

Don't let up: absolutely make their lives hell and bring as much public contempt, opprobium, and rage upon their heads as you can. Dismiss any claims of "protecting the public" and "just doing their jobs" as lies and cowardice by pointing out that they are actually protecting corporations, not the public, and that the job of catching adults seems beyond their courage and skill.

Don't let up, give up, or get distracted: stay on message and vilify them completely: for all practical purposes, they have declared war on your family and you are justified in declaring war back. Don't get physically vilent or directly threaten violence: contempt and humiliation are your weapons.

Save your son.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:21 AM
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Anyone calling what these kids did a 'crime' seriously needs to look at the impact of the action, and the costs of hunting for and prosecuting what are kids, in a chatroom, running an app that just repeatedly tries to access a website. Yes, it's a 'crime' in the current legal definition, but the laws are ultimately made by the people and as such you need to look at whether or not it's an effective one. Deeming it a 'crime' and coming down harshly simply based on the fact a book or group of people says it's a 'crime' is a blind and unbalanced attitude to have.

The powers also seem to be perpetrating the ignorant viewpoint that Anon is something that can be taken down; it's like removing a cup of water from a river, with the expectation that the river will stop flowing.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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That sucks, the company ripped you off



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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So, you are seemingly blaming the FBI for tracking down some suspicious internet activity to your house?

I do believe that son has some explanation to do. You give absolutely no indication that you immediately had a discussion with him about what he has done to have the law disrupt your house and life. Shouldn't you be pissed at him? 'Kept him sitting across the kitchen table from you all day explaining exactly what he did? Since you are playing dumb for us here, I suspect he pulled that same trick on you.

I'm sure he knew quite well what he was doing. A fourteen-year-old can be pretty sneaky. .But you seem to paint him as just an innocent young lad and would rather blame the law for doing their job. That an all too typical reaction from a modern parent.

I don't accept your version of the story. Evidently you (and perhaps we) will only hear the details of what he did when charges are filed. I hope you have funds for a good lawyer.


I'm an old timer. When any of my kids did something bad or wrong, there was none of that, "It's OK, honey."



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
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That sucks, the company ripped you off


well yes and no. yes they ripped me off in that they would only provide a forum on their server that was notoriously (apparently) hackable, and would not allow any other type of forum on their server. and no, because hackers don't have to hack. they could choose not to, but do anyway. the people who come up with free forum software, really should learn how to secure it if they are going to give them away for free, as all it does without good secure measures is force people to buy the security, and if they are trying to promote free useable software, that's certainly not the way to go about it. the keyword being " useable."
edit on 20-7-2011 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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Then their 13 year old son needs to stop getting his Murdoch on.
Join little league and try to be like David Cone!
Stop hacking people's personal data! Your tender age of 13 means nothing to the FBI! You're going down, son.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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I'm thinking that this kid should be put through the ringer. Have him learn how serious this matter is and see the consequences now, before he's no longer a minor. Nip it in the bud - as Barney Fief would say.

Recently, my own son (13 also) did something totally out of character and "borrowed" my bank card to join an adult website. I threw the "parental" book at him which included loss of ALL privileges, marathon lectures and a visit to the Maryland House of Corrections. Maybe I went overboard as this was his "first offence" but he'll think twice before doing anything so stupid again!



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Couldn't someone have "taken over" the computer remotely to do the attack on PayPal? That would be how I would do it, use a patsy for the actual attack, while keeping my tracks untraceable. Did you son let in a trojan or something that would allow others to take over your PC's.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by drew1749
 


So, you are seemingly blaming the FBI for tracking down some suspicious internet activity to your house?

I do believe that son has some explanation to do. You give absolutely no indication that you immediately had a discussion with him about what he has done to have the law disrupt your house and life. Shouldn't you be pissed at him? 'Kept him sitting across the kitchen table from you all day explaining exactly what he did? Since you are playing dumb for us here, I suspect he pulled that same trick on you.

I'm sure he knew quite well what he was doing. A fourteen-year-old can be pretty sneaky. .But you seem to paint him as just an innocent young lad and would rather blame the law for doing their job. That an all too typical reaction from a modern parent.

I don't accept your version of the story. Evidently you (and perhaps we) will only hear the details of what he did when charges are filed. I hope you have funds for a good lawyer.


I'm an old timer. When any of my kids did something bad or wrong, there was none of that, "It's OK, honey."


lol I'm not the one with the kid dude. At least I hope not...

Not yet.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Well I'm not sure if this was mentioned but two scenarios can possibly exist in this situation.

The first scenario is that yes the kid was responsible for launching DDoS attacks on Paypal but wasn't experienced enough to mask his connection.

The second scenario which I think I might be leaning towards is one that's a little more complicated. DDoS attacks are commonly used with bot nets. A bot net is formed when your computer gets a virus on it that allows a master computer to control it. Not necessarily move the mouse etc but to send packets or mask or do whatever it's intention is. The buyer (in this case Anonymous) rent the bot net which sometimes can be as large as a million computers and unleashes the attack on it's victims. In this case the victim is not only the target but is also the 13 year old kid that didn't know to protect his computer with virus scan software etc. If the FBI searches his computers then they will be able to tell whether or not it was an intentional DDoS attack on their part or if they just happen to get caught in a bot net they knew nothing about.

Regardless however if the FBI want a scapegoat he'll be found guilty either way. GOOD LUCK!
edit on 20-7-2011 by HellstormRising because: grammar



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by pavil
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Couldn't someone have "taken over" the computer remotely to do the attack on PayPal? That would be how I would do it, use a patsy for the actual attack, while keeping my tracks untraceable. Did you son let in a trojan or something that would allow others to take over your PC's.


Once again, not my son. I don't know much about cyber crime and neither does this kid probably. I've never met a thirteen year old who actually knows a computer inside and out.

Last thirteen year old I talked to asked me for advice on how to use a keygen. When I asked where he got it and told him to do a virus scan he told me (and this is a real quote I just looked it up) "its not a virus its from pirates bay or wateva"

Needless to say I facepalmed. The point being, kids don't know computers very well.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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The second scenario which I think I might be leaning towards is one that's a little more complicated. DDoS attacks are commonly used with bot nets. A bot net is formed when your computer gets a virus on it that allows a master computer to control it.


This is actually what I think happened. Lulzsec was known to use bot nets back when they had their whole thing going on and I think Lulzsec had something to do with this Paypal attack.

Not that anon doesn't use bot nets also.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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...i think this is a hoax...

...if it really happened, where is the local news coverage?... my gosh, they're vultures who sensationalize everything... why would they miss out on this?... i dont think they would...

...if it really happened, seems to me the parent wouldve been arrested also or at least taken into custody for questioning since a 13yr old is a minor...

...if this really happened - how come cps hasnt gotten involved in this to investigate this parent's lousy parenting?... afterall, there were allegedly other minors in the home...

...as another poster mentioned - if it really happened, why didnt the parent hire a lawyer rather than blow money on a new computer?...

...the complainer says they've learned enough from reddit to ask for a COPY of the warrant - and then - they gripe because they were given a COPY of the warrant... seems to me that the original warrant would be kept on file at whatever court it was issued from and leos only carry a copy...



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Hellstorm your botnet theory is the most plausible on here. Or the kid just wasnt smart enough to ghost himself, he may have just not known what he was getting himself into.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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reply to post by ShadowalkerWhen your cable package goes up to $200 a month because they had to hire a battalion of security people to keep your connection safe

LOL good thing I have netflix (by the way, my cable package is already $191.00 a month, includes land line and internet)



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:10 PM
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I don't want to be 'that guy', but why can she afford to buy a new computer after they took two of her computers, but not afford a lawyer to protect her 13 year old child? This sounds like a BS excuse for the question of 'if they seized your computers, how are you posting'

I believe stuff like this does happen - but i do not believe this is a case of it. If this is a legit case . . she got her priorities backwards and she should be protecting her kid not buying a computer to post about it on reddit.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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The point being, kids don't know computers very well.

I don't know what generation you come from but when I logged on in 1997, most of the "hackers" I met, were between the ages of 13 and 19. Its not really that difficult.


Anyway, as for the article - I have to call BS too.
What? she isn't entitled to a public defender? never heard of legal aid?



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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What exactly is the limit to be considered a terrorist? How many times may you refresh a page before you are illegal? 10? 100? 1000? 10000?

This is ridiculous. They are doing nothing but sending page load requests! It's up to the owners of the servers to ensure they have enough bandwidth to serve all the requests.

There is nothing even remotely resembling hacking or illegal activity going on here. But still people are being arrested when enough money is involved.



posted on Jul, 20 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Why do people think that kids that are 13 are not capable of crime? You ask any DC police officer, 75% of the crimes are committed by people under 17.

This isn't the 80s generation, these kids know computers by the time they reach kindergarten. It is perfectly reasonable that a 13 year old can be a professional hacker.



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