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posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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I am facing a huge decision in my life right now.. and i need some advice from like minded people..

i have a very good job, with well above average wages and many perks.. A job i dont necessarily want to leave especially in the current economic climate, but i feel at the moment i have little choice.

mostly my job involves alot of driving around the uk, with brief spells outside the vehicle, but essentially it mostly involves driving. the company i work for have started to install cctv cameras inside the vehicles. one faces the road and the other watches the driver. they say they are for insurance purposes, and they wont watch it unless something happens.. ie a road accident.

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this is my dilemma.. i dont feel comfortable to be monitored by a camera, for 10-12 hours a day, with the sole purpose of watching me. i feel it is an infringement on my civil rights. i have raised my concerns with the company i work for and their attitude is, its our property we do what we like.. if you dont like it you know what you can do..

im sure i dont need to go into the whole cctv debate, with us being watched all the time and the daily loss of our freedoms to anyone here.. it means now i cant make private calls anymore, cant eat at the wheel, cant singalong to my favorite songs, i cant listen to the alternative/conspiracy/ufo podcasts i enjoy (mysterious universe, red ice etc) in fact i cant even pick my nose or fart without feeling conscious of the fact a camera is watching me.

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but what do i do? my current thinking is screw them and their cameras.. but as i said before, i have a really good job, with excellent pay and conditions, which is in quite a specialized field and extremely difficult to find another one like this.. (i have tried before)
so if i leave, because all my skills and knowledge are in this field i will no doubt have to take an unskilled job, with low or minimum wage. As im sure we are all aware, it is quite difficult these days just to make ends meet and cover the bills and spiraling costs of living.

do discard all my beliefs, follow the sheeple, and carry on with the hope of a decent life of relative luxury? or do i stick to my guns and say stick your job.. and end up unemployed in tough times, trying to find a work in a difficult job market?

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anyone ive asked including my friends, family and fellow employees dont see the problem with it, but then most of them have not got their eyes open as it were.. (and i feel most people are desensitized to the cameras now) that is the reason ive come here for advice, from like minded people who can understand my point of view a little more than most..
i understand alot of people dont like to post alot but do read threads, id like to get as many opinions as possible so even if (i know its frowned upon) you just say stay or leave, i would be graetful for your input..

so my ATS brothers and sisters, what would you do in my situation? stay or go?

my current thinking is i will leave.. but maybe im wrong...

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posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Is it the camera in general or the fact that they can catch you out doing other things during "their" time you are paid on the job?

It would be ill advised to leave without another job offer from elsewhere.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
Is it the camera in general or the fact that they can catch you out doing other things during "their" time you are paid on the job?

It would be ill advised to leave without another job offer from elsewhere.




i have nothing to hide and i dont do anything they would disprove of.. it is purely the fact of being monitored allday, and its not a general camera like in a shop... its in my face and solely for me..



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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I know how you feel brother....I work for a bank! HA!

Honestly I think you already know what the correct choice is (maybe not the one youd like, but the most prudent choice)

If I was earning an above average wage in a specialised area thats difficult to find work in, well, I would (ironically what Im doing now!) bite my tongue and continue to work until I felt comfortable enough that the economic depression has subsided enough for me to leave all the while searching for another job!

I'm highly skilled but it's difficult to find a job at my level, and I would LOVE and I mean LOVE to tell my manager to stick his job up his 'swiss role'. I will do it, but not until I find another job.

Also, if you have a family it's the only choice, if you dont, then Im 50/50

Meant to say as well, no matter what job your in there will ALWAYS be some level of monitoring

edit on 18-7-2011 by soundofathousandbirds because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by soundofathousandbirds
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I know how you feel brother....I work for a bank! HA!

Honestly I think you already know what the correct choice is (maybe not the one youd like, but the most prudent choice)

If I was earning an above average wage in a specialised area thats difficult to find work in, well, I would (ironically what Im doing now!) bite my tongue and continue to work until I felt comfortable enough that the economic depression has subsided enough for me to leave all the while searching for another job!

I'm highly skilled but it's difficult to find a job at my level, and I would LOVE and I mean LOVE to tell my manager to stick his job up his 'swiss role'. I will do it, but not until I find another job.

Also, if you have a family it's the only choice, if you dont, then Im 50/50



thanks for the advice... you kinda puts things in perspective for me there...

i really dont know what to do.. but your comment makes complete sense..

it will feel like im giving up more of my freedoms if i stayed.. but i suppose its the way of the world now..



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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One more vote for manning up and toughing it out. Above average pay and good perks/benefits in this economy? You're already being filmed most of the time anyway, so I would say you may as well go with the flow.

On the "rights" issue, you are working for a privately owned company in their company owned vehicle. They have every legal and ethical right to monitor you as they see fit. The fact that they disclosed the monitoring was, to my mind, proof that they are going about this in the best way possible.

All that said, if you can find an equal or better gig, go ahead and take the leap. Until then . . . not so much.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:10 PM
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Keep your job, and start looking for another one. In the meantime you could start a silent protest by covering the cam with a t shirt or preferably a small piece of plastic that is smudgy so that if they notice it seems like a resolution failure. If you cant find a proper covering throw a coffee cup over it, and when your called on it say "Oh sorry I didn't notice" simple mistake instead of purposeful insubordination, and thereby avoiding dismissal.

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posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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I recently flew to Liverpool, we hired a car and drove down to Gloucester for a rubgy match with a couple of friends.

England (and the whole UK) is probably the country I've ever been more times to
since I was a kid and they first sent me to Guildford more than 20 years ago


and I was really shocked of how highly CCTVed the country is today. There were cameras in almost every lamp in the road, inside and outside pubs even in Gloucester! I - was shocked.

I would feel uncomfortable with a camera inside my car, but the best advice would be not to leave in these hard times...



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Well, maybe if you let the camera record the first 15 minutes of your day, and then say put a post-it note on it for the rest of your day and removed it 15 minutes prior to end of day - you would feel less observed? If there is nothing in writing saying you cannot put a post-it over the lense - then you know saying 'I'm sorry" after the fact is easier then asking for permission. If they were to fire you if you are caught - can you draw unemployment? Not to mention you could open a legal case, go the the press, and become a civil liberties advocate and perhaps garner some fame about your point. I don't know the laws/rules/regulations in the UK.

Obviously I think like an American. Overcome the system. Hire attorneys if needed. - I kid.
But you mention they don't plan to watch this video live stream, only use it if needed for accidents - I mean really that sounds fishy to me. How many accidents happen in relation to the cost of monitoring all of you? I think this cost would outweigh any insurance settlements, and hikes for mishaps.

My plan is stay silent - remain really agreeable. Continue to be a good performer at your job - and cover the lense. If this becomes an issue later, you are discovered, it becomes a contest of wills or what not - then you will have to examine your concious.

I know about the weak economy and all but I could not stomach being watched. It is one thing to install these cameras but what of the policy surrounding them. Will it be stated that tampering with this filming will jeporodize your employment. Will you also have to sign sometype of contract. If they just install, no contract, no new rules and policies. Well chap, put a post-it note over the lense and pick your nose, sing and dance along to tunes and enjoy your privacy!



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by RobertAntonWeishaupt
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One more vote for manning up and toughing it out. Above average pay and good perks/benefits in this economy? You're already being filmed most of the time anyway, so I would say you may as well go with the flow.

On the "rights" issue, you are working for a privately owned company in their company owned vehicle. They have every legal and ethical right to monitor you as they see fit. The fact that they disclosed the monitoring was, to my mind, proof that they are going about this in the best way possible.

All that said, if you can find an equal or better gig, go ahead and take the leap. Until then . . . not so much.



thanks man... im starting to see a pattern here and thats from the guys who i thought would be staunchly opposed to the idea..

your comment also makes sense.. its actually swaying my opinion now,

although i do know, i will feel uncomfortable with it being there and always conscious of it.. but there is also another issue i forgot to mention in the op, if for example there is an accident, and i am at fault (we all make mistakes) could i be holding myself liable to prosecution?



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by DrunkNinja
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Keep your job, and start looking for another one. In the meantime you could start a silent protest by covering the cam with a t shirt or preferably a small piece of plastic that is smudgy so that if they notice it seems like a resolution failure. If you cant find a proper covering throw a coffee cup over it, and when your called on it say "Oh sorry I didn't notice" simple mistake instead of purposeful insubordination, and thereby avoiding dismissal.

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others have tried to cover it, only to get a call shortly after telling them to uncover it.. (so they are obviously monitoring them)

although the plastic to make it blurry is a good idea..
although im sure that would only work for a short period of time..



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by AboveTheTrees


I recently flew to Liverpool, we hired a car and drove down to Gloucester for a rubgy match with a couple of friends.

England (and the whole UK) is probably the country I've ever been more times to
since I was a kid and they first sent me to Guildford more than 20 years ago


and I was really shocked of how highly CCTVed the country is today. There were cameras in almost every lamp in the road, inside and outside pubs even in Gloucester! I - was shocked.

I would feel uncomfortable with a camera inside my car, but the best advice would be not to leave in these hard times...




i saw a stat recently that stated, there are more cctv cameras in croyden (a small suburb in london) than the whole of new york state..
i believe the uk is the most cctv camerad nation on earth.. they are everywhere!!!

this is also a part of why i feel this way.. its just to much..



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:32 PM
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yeah they have already stated you cannot cover it... others have tried only to be told to remove the object blocking the lens.. i will cover it though until i am also told.. or maybe if instead of covering, just try and block its view of me..

yeah unfortunatly in the uk, they can do what they want. we dont really have many rights here when it comes to our jobs... there are 10 others who are ready to replace you.. and alot of those are from other countries and will work for less.
always treading on egg shells in this damn country.. and thats just how they want it!!



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Do your job!
I work for something I used to be proud of. I still have the same job. But it's just a job not a career anymore.
I'm not so proud, but I still do it. It's part of the MSM...a huge multimedia conglomerate that is falling apart.

Besides, if you quit, they may give the job to someone who supports it!

At a later date, when you find something new, you can spill the beans, tell the facts. Right here on ATS.
Consider yourself a Mole within the company...Getting paid to get to the truth of it all.

God luck to you, and your conscience.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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I wouldnt imagine its a nice feeling having a camera in your face al day. Uncomfortable to say the least. Most peoples first reaction would be NO WAY!

BUT, image the JOY you'll have on your last day, when after finding a better job (You Will!!)
you can hop in to the company car, 'whip it out', and give the camera a bit of a sprinkle!

Best of luck to you man, whatever you decide!



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Why are then monitoring you guys so viligantly over there?
Is there no economic crisis in your country - doesn't this cost a hefty pound?
Who pays for the installation and monitoring of these things?

In some cases, like with crime and abductions I would be so greatful for camera's everywhere - but in everyday living not so much. About all the personal foibles though - we all do things, like sing to the radio when no one is looking and dislodge a "car from the garage" so to speak when our nose feels the twitch.

Interesting they claim at your company not to be using this for continual monitoring but have commented to some of your co-workers in a way that would lead you to believe otherwise. I apologize for my obvious American Rights reponse to your post.

Sometimes I feel about my own USofA - can't live here anymore - can't live anywhere else either.
Strange world we live in these days.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Misterlondon
i have nothing to hide and i dont do anything they would disprove of.. it is purely the fact of being monitored allday, and its not a general camera like in a shop... its in my face and solely for me..


Just get over it tbf. In my opinion that is no way near a good enough reason to leave your job.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 03:29 PM
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What if you need to pick your nose?!



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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I think he should make a big show out of it - why not?
That and other things.



posted on Jul, 18 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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Not familiar enough with the law over there as far as liability. I'm thinking the camera won't make you any more liable than simply being documented as the operator of the vehicle. If anything, it will protect you against being wrongly charged with a hit and run in the event that someone jacks your vehicle.


Still creepy and irritating though. I feel for you and hope you can find a suitable replacement gig.




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