Where did Haarp go?

Originally posted by TheOneYouFearIsRight
No one has voiced if I should understand Haarp as:

1-Causing natural disasters intentionally
2-Causing natural disasters un-intentionally
3-Having nothing to do with natural disasters

That would be 3. HAARP has no capability to cause natural disasters.
It's just a radio transmitter.

reply to post by Pervius


Find me one of those articles that has anything to do with the weather. Maybe you are confusing space weather with tropospheric weather?

en.wikipedia.org...

Weather is the state of the atmosphere, to the degree that it is hot or cold, wet or dry, calm or stormy, clear or cloudy. Most weather phenomena occur in the troposphere, just below the stratosphere.

Weather is driven by density (temperature and moisture) differences between one place and another.

en.wikipedia.org...

Space weather is the concept of changing environmental conditions in near-Earth space or the space from the Sun's atmosphere to the Earth's atmosphere. It is distinct from the concept of weather within the Earth's planetary atmosphere (troposphere and stratosphere). Space Weather is the description of changes in the ambient plasma, magnetic fields, radiation and other matter in space.

Space weather only has a slight indirect effect on regular weather:

en.wikipedia.org...

The amount of energy entering the troposphere and stratosphere from all space weather phenomena is trivial compared to the solar insolation in the visible and infra-red portions of the solar electromagnetic spectrum. However there does seem to be some linkage between the 11 year sunspot cycle and the Earth's climate.[24] For example, the Maunder minimum, a 70 year period almost devoid of sunspots, correlates to a cooling of the Earth's climate. One suggestion for the linkage between space and terrestrial weather is that changes in cosmic ray flux cause changes in the amount of cloud formation.[25] Another suggestion is that variations in the EUV flux subtlety influence existing drivers of the climate and tips the balance between states such as the El Niño/La Niña states.[26] However, a linkage between space weather and the climate has not been demonstrated conclusively.

Why do so many associate Haarp with weather, atmospheric and seismic events if it has nothing to do with it?

People must be making that connection based on SOMETHING.

reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight

It's based on bad science, paranoia, and ignorance.
I'm pretty sure we can blame Nick Begich for jump starting things with the book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP".

Originally posted by subject x
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It's based on bad science, paranoia, and ignorance.
I'm pretty sure we can blame Nick Begich for jump starting things with the book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP".

So basically what you are saying is, Haarp pretty much doesn't do any of the things that all these people claim that it does?

So, why the drama over it?

reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight

That, I can't answer. Who knows why people need to believe in stuff like that.
It's one of the drawbacks of the internet. Anyone can make anything up, put it on the web, and there will be people who believe it, repeat it, and continue to spread it.

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I think you are right... So, I decided to try it for myself!

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Originally posted by TheOneYouFearIsRight
Why do so many associate Haarp with weather, atmospheric and seismic events if it has nothing to do with it?

People must be making that connection based on SOMETHING.

Perhaps the reason is that such things as 'HAARP' are indeed possible.
They just have technology envy of the real developments.
Some people wish to be annoying and make us think such things are not possible when
indeed they are possible but not with HAARP. Just ask the sociopath agents
why they do it. Its a free country letting the anti Tesla agent run loose so
do not put aside such hype as nonsense that is a cover for Tesla's great untold
technology.

When suspicious world-events are backed up by physical or scientific evidence which explains them, there is no HAARP.

Think of HAARP as the "straw-man" of any debate regarding unexplained/misunderstood earth-phenomenon

There are actually scientific papers written stating HAARP can alter the weather, increase air density or decrease it, even push the Earth's atmosphere up to cause drag on satellites in low earth orbit.

Do some googling, you'll find them.

DOD wouldn't have taken over HAARP if it wasn't a military tool.

DOD has had it's cahoneys cut over the last few years and is running in bare minimum....but HAARP isn't something that will ever, ever, ever be cut from them.

It's a weapon.

Originally posted by Pervius
There are actually scientific papers written stating HAARP can alter the weather, increase air density or decrease it, even push the Earth's atmosphere up to cause drag on satellites in low earth orbit.

Do some googling, you'll find them.

DOD wouldn't have taken over HAARP if it wasn't a military tool.

DOD has had it's cahoneys cut over the last few years and is running in bare minimum....but HAARP isn't something that will ever, ever, ever be cut from them.

It's a weapon.

That is kind of why I think there is actually more to it.

The whole connection with the DOD... since when is the DOD into simple atmospheric info?

reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight

Not so much the atmosphere...the ionosphere.
How long has the DOD been interested?
Ever since the DOD has been interested in long range communications.
Ever since the DOD has been interested in long range detection.
Ever since the DOD has been interested in surveillance.
Ever since the DOD has been interested in preventing others from using all of the above against us.

reply to post by Phage


So, how does cooking up the ionosphere help us with comm/detection?

Other than some nifty aurora lighting, I don't see a ton of practical applications for it.

reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight

You don't know how the ionosphere affects communications yet you claim that HAARP must be up to no good.
Swell.

Originally posted by Phage
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You don't know how the ionosphere affects communications yet you claim that HAARP must be up to no good.
Swell.

Never made that claim... only made the claim that the ats chatter about Haarp had all but droppped off.

So, aside from short wave and ham radio utilizing the ionosphere, what other great strides in communications can be made by cooking the ionosphere?

reply to post by TheOneYouFearIsRight

Hams and shortwave. Sure. That's the only use of radio.

www.haarp.alaska.edu...

www.haarp.alaska.edu...

study of upper atmospheric and solar-terrestrial physics and Radio Science

its a study

used to stimulate small, well-defined volumes of ionosphere

it stimulates

within the auroral zone

Where large currents from the Sun move the Earth

. By the time it reaches the ionosphere, the intensity of the HF signal is less than 3 microwatts (0.000003 watt) per cm2, thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less, even, than the variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere

They can't be making Tesla waves thats for sure.
No Tunguskas for HAARP.