US bigger peace threat than Iran: Poll

Originally posted by Dr Expired
The older I get , the more Iam bemused at the ignorance of those who are living safe in the west.

Truth is whether you like it or not folks is without the USA there would be no free Europe, no free Australia, no free Canada, no free New Zealand , no free Israel ect ect.

Can anyone argue against this?

Yep - The Soviet Union was defeating Germany too you know - in fact 75% of Nazi Germany's forces were deployed against the USSR - without them there would be no free USA......

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Dr Expired
The older I get , the more Iam bemused at the ignorance of those who are living safe in the west.

Truth is whether you like it or not folks is without the USA there would be no free Europe, no free Australia, no free Canada, no free New Zealand , no free Israel ect ect.

Can anyone argue against this?

Yep - The Soviet Union was defeating Germany too you know - in fact 75% of Nazi Germany's forces were deployed against the USSR - without them there would be no free USA......

Yes true, but without the USA the Soviets would have swept western europe aside at least.
Hitler though knew the Reds were building up for war before he attacked them...he was banking on Britain negotiating a humiliating but survivable peace...he was wrong to think this would happen.

the Soviets would probably have ben completely exhausted without US aid - even more so than they were - they were in no condition to continue on into the west in 1945 - although of course no-one actually knew that.

Probably the USA would still ahve given aid to the USSR - 50% of it went through Vladivostock anyway - but victory would ahve been bought with the lives of a lot more soviet and press-ganged non-soviet soldiers, and of course also a lot more Germans, their allies and press-ganged subjects too.

Europe and russia would have been even more totally wrecked, and the USSR would have been ruthless in exploiting any and all conquered & "liberated" areas for it's own benefit.

there is no good outcome from a scnario where the USA doesn't actually fight in WW2!