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A new and intriguing theory of where UFOs may originate from, and return to...

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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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For many years now (long before I had ever heard the name Mac Tonnies) I have felt a stronger tug from the native environment's extratemporal or interdimensional hypothesis for the possibility of where UFOs originate. It just always made a lot more sense when you eliminate the distance factor. Naturally this leaves about 1 million unanswered questions relating to this and that, but it's good to see that others are seriously & progressively furthering the basic proposal.

A very interesting proposal it is too: query.homestead.com...



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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How is it more probable that aliens can create technology to leap dimensions and not travel vast distances? Why is one technically harder than the other?

IRM



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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I think it is theoretically technically harder to travel huge distances because of the "time" issue.

If you simply "leap from a different dimension" there's simply no "time" in the equation.



Peace



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Sator
reply to post by InfaRedMan
 


I think it is theoretically technically harder to travel huge distances because of the "time" issue.

If you simply "leap from a different dimension" there's simply no "time" in the equation.
Peace


Simply? Based on what? Can you explain to me why dimensional jumps would be simple? If you could explain the science of how it's done, that would be great!


IRM

edit on 13/7/11 by InfaRedMan because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by MasterOfSparkz
 


How is it more probable that aliens can create technology to leap dimensions and not travel vast distances? Why is one technically harder than the other?

IRM


Efficiency. Is it not more probable that that we would use a submarine to cross our ocean, rather than create a technology the accomplishes the same by way of the moon?
edit on 13-7-2011 by MasterOfSparkz because: clarification



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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What if "they" aren't physically in our spacetime ever. The disturbance we detect is their "lense" peering in from another time and/or space. This, since matter is subject to speed of light and other physics limitations. What if it is our own race in the distant future peering back to determine the absolute facts of history instead of the highly revisionist history documentation (like whats happening even today)
edit on 13-7-2011 by tkwasny because: Replace a wrongly used word.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by tkwasny
What if "they" aren't physically in our spacetime ever. The disturbance we detect is their "lense" peering in from another time and/or space. This, since matter is subject to speed of light and other physics limitations. What if it is our own race in the distant future peering back to determine the absolute facts of history instead of the highly revisionist history documentation (like whats happening even today)
edit on 13-7-2011 by tkwasny because: Replace a wrongly used word.


All these things make sense to me, however I just wanted to point out the expanded direction that this school of thought is taking with respect for this specific hypothesis. They are contending Dark Matter & Plasma, not matter. They are also accounting for a myriad of paranormal phenomenon via the same proposed hypothesis.

Another thing to think about in my imagined agreement with what you are stating here, would be the possibility that "they" would use BOTH the lens that looks into our native environment, as well as possibly designing droids to initiate and carry out their studies.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by Sator
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I think it is theoretically technically harder to travel huge distances because of the "time" issue.

If you simply "leap from a different dimension" there's simply no "time" in the equation.
Peace


Simply? Based on what? Can you explain to me why dimensional jumps would be simple? If you could explain the science of how it's done, that would be great!


IRM

edit on 13/7/11 by InfaRedMan because: (no reason given)


I know where you are coming from, however, this *is* assuredly a hypothetical thread wherein we are merely guessing. We have made that abundantly clear. You are correct, it would be AWESOME to understand and KNOW how all this extratemporal interdimensional hopping works. However, non of us do so if you REALLY want to know, I am certain there are MANY experimental, small particle physics boards, wherein you could achieve your desired level of enlightenment.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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These are definitely interesting ideas. The following is an edited version of an old post from me.

The first incorrect assumption (edit: made in a post in that thread) is that all life has almost identical requirements to us. The roots of this idea lie with the fact that we have been 'educated' to think that Earth has the only life. There are probably other life forms out there that don't require water (e.g. methane is a polar molecule when liquid putting Neptune and Uranus in the picture). There are also 'plasma critters' (see New Scientist). There is a fascinating article by Jay Alfred on possible Plasma bases life forms. This part is pertinent here.


Plasma, on the other hand, is associated with high temperatures. Plasma life forms would be much more adapted to environments which would be considered hostile to carbon-based life forms. It is possible that plasma life forms were already present in the gas and materials that formed the Earth 4.6 billion years ago. Carbon-based biomolecular life forms only appeared 1 billion years later. Tsytovich and other scientists (including Lozneanu and Sanduloviciu, discussed below) have proposed that plasma life forms, in fact, spurred development of organic carbon-based life on Earth.
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...


So, if plasma life forms can exist in more extreme conditions then all these calculations about where life can exist are way out. It can exist practically anywhere.

Next we have multiverses and other-dimensions. Lots of UFOs display signs of inter-dimensional behaviour. That multiplies up the possibility of life massively again. If there are multitudes of dimensions interacting with this one then the mind can only boggle at the possibilities.

Conclusion



The universe is teeming with life . Much of it is not as we know it. We are being interacted with and observed by this life an a daily basis.

Most historical and current cultures accept that there is life and intelligence everywhere (even in matter). Why has our culture not recognised it? Firstly, we have been obsessed with an atheistic materialism (a reaction to medieval religion and superstition) which has blinded us to many possibilities (modern physics is changing that). Secondly, we are simply looking in the wrong way. If we stop looking for life exactly like us (not that our galactic cousins aren't aware of us) we would probably see life all around us.

Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 13/7/11 by Pimander because: typo



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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Just to add on this hypothetical orientated thread, also there is the possibility also, that some of the extra terrestrials are thousands if not millions of years more advanced than us, all of the supposed ideas are plausible regarding what they can do.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Pimander
reply to post by MasterOfSparkz
 

These are definitely interesting ideas. The following is an edited version of an old post from me.

The first incorrect assumption (edit: made in a post in that thread) is that all life has almost identical requirements to us. The roots of this idea lie with the fact that we have been 'educated' to think that Earth has the only life. There are probably other life forms out there that don't require water (e.g. methane is a polar molecule when liquid putting Neptune and Uranus in the picture). There are also 'plasma critters' (see New Scientist). There is a fascinating article by Jay Alfred on possible Plasma bases life forms. This part is pertinent here.


Plasma, on the other hand, is associated with high temperatures. Plasma life forms would be much more adapted to environments which would be considered hostile to carbon-based life forms. It is possible that plasma life forms were already present in the gas and materials that formed the Earth 4.6 billion years ago. Carbon-based biomolecular life forms only appeared 1 billion years later. Tsytovich and other scientists (including Lozneanu and Sanduloviciu, discussed below) have proposed that plasma life forms, in fact, spurred development of organic carbon-based life on Earth.
www.unexplained-mysteries.com...


So, if plasma life forms can exist in more extreme conditions then all these calculations about where life can exist are way out. It can exist practically anywhere.

Next we have multiverses and other-dimensions. Lots of UFOs display signs of inter-dimensional behaviour. That multiplies up the possibility of life massively again. If there are multitudes of dimensions interacting with this one then the mind can only boggle at the possibilities.

Conclusion



The universe is teeming with life . Much of it is not as we know it. We are being interacted with and observed by this life an a daily basis.

Most historical and current cultures accept that there is life and intelligence everywhere (even in matter). Why has our culture not recognised it? Firstly, we have been obsessed with an atheistic materialism (a reaction to medieval religion and superstition) which has blinded us to many possibilities (modern physics is changing that). Secondly, we are simply looking in the wrong way. If we stop looking for life exactly like us (not that our galactic cousins aren't aware of us) we would probably see life all around us.

Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 13/7/11 by Pimander because: typo



Excellent! Yes, (as I am certain you already know via your previous thread) this Jay Alfred school of thought has some VERY interesting ideas. He also seems to genuinely care about theoretically backing up his proposed ideas.

It does fall apart in some (many) areas of UFO Subculture however. In that what is reported many times as something with a possible, or "part" paranormal explanation, often times does not just dissolve or dematerialize, but rather in some way is reported to interact physically with witnesses. If that only means them "touching" something.

The Universe's life forms hypothesized about in conclusion is most likely accurate of course, we cannot really deny the possibility of such, however it sure would be nice to at very least interact with at least one other species prior to accepting or supporting as much.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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I’d have to agree with you there.
Even us in a few hundred years from now would seem like magic to us today.
If physics says it’s possible than we’ll do it. Physics says jumping through time and space (wormholes) is possible.
In a few years we’ll be able to grow new organs that won’t be rejected (steam cells).
Nanotechnology is just now being able to do amazing things, build things from the molecular level.
Things we build are requiring less and less energy to use, space has ample energy if we can harness it.
In a thousand years we’ll be able to open a small wormhole to another solar system, send in a little packet of nanites, weight a little while while they build a bridge or whatever we’ll need to safely travel there.
The only way aliens from wherever can get here, would be too use such advanced technology it’d look like magic to us.
Are they here? Hope I find out one day. If not then the generations ahead of me will.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Thumbs up, agree with that also.

Another point to make is, the human race, in the space of a hundred years, has gone from riding around on horse back to now flying to the moon.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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So im thinking hyper space ...and worm holes ..ive seen it explained before in theory its kinda of what i think.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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HOW IS THIS A NEW THEORY I'VE HEARED IT MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT!

And why do you assume that creating the technology to jump dimensions is harder than creating the technology to cover inter stellar/galactic distances???

More research required methinks



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by Sator
reply to post by InfaRedMan
 


I think it is theoretically technically harder to travel huge distances because of the "time" issue.

If you simply "leap from a different dimension" there's simply no "time" in the equation.
Peace


Simply? Based on what? Can you explain to me why dimensional jumps would be simple? If you could explain the science of how it's done, that would be great!


IRM

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Obviously I cannot "explain" (per se) before we (or They) prove the existence of multi dimensions.

When we (or They) do, and I learn it, I'll gladly explain it to you.

Peace



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Titor86
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HOW IS THIS A NEW THEORY I'VE HEARED IT MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT!

And why do you assume that creating the technology to jump dimensions is harder than creating the technology to cover inter stellar/galactic distances???

More research required methinks


lol! You are way too much. Who cares how many times you've heard it, it's new to me and that the ONLY thing that matters.

I don't "assume" anything, nor did I state that I did. Please quote me where I stated this technology is harder to create than this or that one.

More thinking on your part, me thinks. PS. No one here claimed to do any research on the matter. We have presented a paper in which there has been a great deal of research done. Try reading it. What a classic TROLL.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by MasterOfSparkz
 


How is it more probable that aliens can create technology to leap dimensions and not travel vast distances? Why is one technically harder than the other?

IRM


on of our ATS memebers has thread called Stargates Are Real

it has links to material supporting the idea that ancient wormhole travel technology is buried in certain locations throughout the globe


my own personal take on this is that there may have been a contact group that couldn't return ( not like in StarTrek or Stargate)
and had communication devices that could be used to communicate between Worlds or dimensions some of which may still work.

everything else I call our Cargo Cult



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Just to add on this hypothetical orientated thread, also there is the possibility also, that some of the extra terrestrials are thousands if not millions of years more advanced than us, all of the supposed ideas are plausible regarding what they can do.

It does not matter if they are thousands or millions of years advanced. The energy requirement and the resources needed to accomplish interstellar travel remains constant. It is quite delusional to accept the notion that Aliens are partaking in multiple round trips of interstellar travel just to abduct humans and perform lewd experiments.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by MathematicalPhysicist
It does not matter if they are thousands or millions of years advanced. The energy requirement and the resources needed to accomplish interstellar travel remains constant. It is quite delusional to accept the notion that Aliens are partaking in multiple round trips of interstellar travel just to abduct humans and perform lewd experiments.


This is sheer speculation and contains NO fact whatsoever. Don't be fooled by this empty statement. It is utterly delusional to think that you could scientifically make such a progressive statement concerning a life form, or a time frame, you know absolutely NOTHING about. We don't even know if there is a life form at all, or whether any other life within the universe is subject to "time" or "distance" in the same way we are, or any other law within our physics science. The bottom line is: WE DO NOT KNOW and it is beyond mentally ill to think we can KNOW such things with any type of progressive certainty.




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