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Originally posted by User8911
The whole point of the word faith, means to believe without proof...
So, faith with proof, wouldn't be faith anymore.
It would be fact.
Originally posted by Buddha1098
reply to post by Greatest I am
Faith without works is dead. If I said I loved my wife, and then went home and beat her every night, you'd should be skeptical of my claim. If I claim faith in God, but lets say for sake of argument... I protest at abortion clinics and show hatred towards the women who go there, you should also be skeptical of my faith.
Jesus said you'd know his disciples by their fruit(Works). You don't need to work to be saved, you want to work when you are.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Buddha1098
Have you talked to the women who stand outside abortion clinics?
If you had, I think you would have a different opinion of them.
They do what they do out of love, not hatred.
That makes no sense.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Faith without works and proof is false faith.
Scriptures, on the issue of works, contradict each other.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Some scriptures indicate that without works, living the theology and applying it to reality, that whatever faith we claim to have is useless and that those souls are lost.
Romans 9:32
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Without works, will Christianity die?
Originally posted by Greatest I am
What was it that James told Peter.
Demons have faith in God and it is likely stronger than man’s faith because they know for certain of God’s reality yet it does them no good. Faith, belief that is not based on proof, is thus useless.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Did the Christians who murdered the doctors at these clinics do so out of love or did they have hate in their hearts as they killed?
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Not the same people.
Did the Christians who murdered the doctors at these clinics do so out of love or did they have hate in their hearts as they killed?
Originally posted by User8911
The whole point of the word faith, means to believe without proof...
So, faith with proof, wouldn't be faith anymore.
It would be fact.
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Did the Christians who murdered the doctors at these clinics do so out of love or did they have hate in their hearts as they killed?
A true follower of Christ would never do such a thing. There are many people who call themselves Christians that do not hold Christ in their heart. They are workers of inequity.
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
What do you think?
BTW, are you aware that scholars disagree on the way Paul and James use the word works.
Many think that works is the older Jewish law.
Peter was saying that the gentiles did not have to follow the Jewish traditions.
James did not agree.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Greatest I am
What do you think?
BTW, are you aware that scholars disagree on the way Paul and James use the word works.
Many think that works is the older Jewish law.
Peter was saying that the gentiles did not have to follow the Jewish traditions.
James did not agree.
Could you elaborate on this a bit?
Fill us in on what the two disciples are really getting at.
Or did you just read that on an atheist blog.
Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with that.
Nor am I implying you are being deceptive or dishonest.
Just want your personal views.
As opposed to . . fake Christians?
True Christians know there is but one. . .