Bring back the British Empire

reply to post by Rob37n


No, I strongly disagree with several posts reponding to my claims.
You cannot say that problems would have arisen in the future from the British Empire because most of the places we ruled in the past do not hate us, unlike the USA which acts like a headless beast in it's (The British Empire) place alienating whole countries by their actions. So we must have done something right.

Really think about the difference that NOT being independant from the UK would have brought......No US civil war, no Vietnam and because there would have been no Hitler, no Pearl Harbour either. It's too late to change the past but lets build a better future, re-instate The British Empire now! You KNOW it makes sense.

Some don't believe the British Empire went anywhere except underground.
In fact some would say that it is still very much a significant power in the world.
They have figured out a great way to continue without attracting any attention or disparagement for their deeds.

Also I would be the last to suggest that "the crown" is just a useless figurehead. Find out how much land is attributed to the crown around the world and tell me again how much of a figurehead they are.
They have cleverly positioned themselves to appear outwardly toothless but the reality I suggest is far from this.

The power you cannot see is the power you can truely feel.

I don't think the British empire is going to come back to be honest. It has fallen down and those days are not coming back. The British empire did rape a lot of resources from other parts of the world(they have more 200 years) and so does the US did with the Native Americans.

Originally posted by triplemmm
reply to post by Rob37n

 

No, I strongly disagree with several posts reponding to my claims.
You cannot say that problems would have arisen in the future from the British Empire because most of the places we ruled in the past do not hate us, unlike the USA which acts like a headless beast in it's (The British Empire) place alienating whole countries by their actions. So we must have done something right.

Uhh ya tell that to the India or other improvised nations now who lived under British rule. Those guys at that time still hate ya. Like i said, I don't think the British empire is going to come back. When they fall, they don't come back and never will be. The difference is that 1800s don't have the internets and technology unlike today which many people are aware of world's problem because of it. But every empire are always done something bad and good.

reply to post by Paulioetc15


If you honestly believe that the British Empire is gone I would encourage you to look deeper into the history and compare it to the shadow powers that are still affecting us today.
Look at the seats of power, look at the big foundations, the "societies", business groups, look at the major banks, look at the dynasties who do not appear on the rich lists then tell me the British Empire no longer has influence.

The empire does not need to come back to the forefront where they will again become targets.
The new method is far more insidious and effective because we can't see where the drivers are actually coming from anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I am in NO WAY suggesting that this is the only thing affecting change these days, I'm merely suggesting that it is still a factor even when most think it is not.

reply to post by triplemmm


hong kong
sure after dumping all that opium in china

LOL

you sound like a Little Englander, what?

reply to post by triplemmm


I think you need to do a little more research on how the Empire was acquired, maintained, retained, and finally lost. We created countries by drawing lines on the map taking no account of local tribes, hence places like Rwanda explode is orgies of violence. Look at the problems faced as Pakistan split from India. The Empire was obtained by conquest and maintained by force of arms. It was not a pleasant thing that benefited all concerned. It was forged from blood, and everything it touched was tainted by the blood of the innocent, the dispossessed and the wronged.

The Empire was only of benefit to the rich. The Empire was created for the enrichment of the Establishment. However, the rot had set in with the writings of Engels and Marx. Even if we had maintained America as part of the Empire there would have been a danger it could have been lost to a Marxist revolution. What about other figures who instigated change, George Washington, Napoleon Bonaparte, etc.

Where would you mark the height of Empire, when America was part of the Empire the grab for land in Africa and across Asia was still underway, Australasia was still pretty much virgin territory. If you mark the height of Empire as a later period then would we have been able to hold sway over such a large Empire? Other nations would have felt the threat of the British. Revolution would have formented within the Empire as people tired of the rule from London. Countries outside the Empire would have risen and competed, the Ottoman Empire for instance. What about the German states? Sweden had a power base for a long while and might have been a threat. The Russian Empire would have posed a threat. Maybe if your history had skewed there may have been a threat from the Chinese rising to throw out the British. The Boxer revolution might have happened years earlier. The India Mutiny would have arisen regardless due to the arrogance of the Empire, who is to say that might have gone a different way if troop numbers hadn't been so large due to having to garrison North America.

The Empire is gone, it was a fascinating period in English history, but it's gone, dead and buried, and long may it stay that way.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by triplemmm

 

hong kong
sure after dumping all that opium in china

LOL

you sound like a Little Englander, what?

Ya and Brits always say that we started an American civil war over Slavery when they(UK) themselves ended Slavery in 1832(Actually it was the confederates that betray America so they started a war over the US(Union) so America(Union) in terms didn't start it, it was the confederates that betray America did) while we should remind them why the UK started a war with China over opium LOL. Both events should have been done with a diplomatic solutions rather than going a war over them.

The only empire to still regain dignity besides the romans of which we are slightly akin. Besides some terrible points of history (we did worse to ourselves than any other country - please remember that)

Whether we need another empire is open to debate.

But as an anarchist, we don't need rulers now. We just need to take the most humane and fair and justifiable elements from all the best societies and employ them in a more mature and sensible manner.

We have the power to topple the corrupt.

Let's not replace that heap with anything but good intention. The British empire has been and gone, for better or worse, I'd like to think mostly it was for the best. We have stood our own against countless enemies, we've shown wit, loyalty, manners, invention, inspiration and dignity.

But ultimately these personifications and practices can be employed anyway, without rule, after all - Many people assume anarchy is chaos, which is untrue.

We don't need empires - corporate, national or regal - we just need decent people. We just need a fair system (yes - wow an anarchist discussing frameworks - crazy, many people say nature is chaotic, others see the golden ratio) we don't need monarchies, oligarchies, tyrants, dictators empires, castes, hierarchies or nations.

We just need to lose our F****** ego's and realise that wealth and poverty are just ideas. Together we can operate as a kindred species, as opposed to a division between class, wealth, religious status, business or social status, or any other pile of arse we are expected to lap from on the social plate.

We either choose to be human, or we choose to be somebody else's idea.

Peace to everyone, I'm drunk, happy, peaceful and loving life at the moment.

I hope you can all be the same x

No, they helped to degenerate the superior natives.

May i bring your attention to this video.....

The Jamaicans want the British back.

In a harsh indictment of nearly 50 years of independence, 60 per cent of those surveyed hanker for the days when the country was Britain’s biggest Caribbean colony.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

reply to post by wigit


For some reason the same seems to be said of those in Yemen.. and it seems that view is especially prevalent in those who fought against Britain to gain independence.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

“I am sorry about what happened,” said Ahmed Mighali Said, 77, who fought the British Army in the bloody four-year uprising known as the Aden Emergency, which ended with Britain’s withdrawal in 1967. “Under the British we had peace. The Yemeni fighters were ignorant. I hope the British come back.”

Not that I would want Britain to return to the past..

reply to post by Adyta


The Brits, I'll think you'll find the English get a hardon for the royals and no-one else.

The majority of Scots now vote Nationist and want a split from England.

reply to post by yakuzakid


Voting nationalist and wanting a split from england are not the same thing.

Disillusioned Labour voters voted SNP, thus securing them their parliament majority. Scots wont vote Tory as its perceived (with some justification) as an english toffs party and the liberals aren't taken seriously.

That leaves the SNP, they won by acting like old labour. Not because they have convinced people to a nationalist agenda.

We can't even sort our own country out these days, what are the chance of us ruling the waves again None.

Without wanting to get too off-topic the Nationalists entire ethos are based around independence.

I understand people wanted a change from Labour, but why not vote liberal (back then, now it's obvious why you wouldn't vote for them).

Unfortunately there now exists a state in the UK where no party represents my thoughts or opinions and I just have to vote for whoever I feel will do the least damage when in power.

reply to post by yakuzakid


Last post as we'll venture too far off topic.

The SNP gets more votes in Scotland by being more Labour than labour has recently been. Scotland is majority socialist in its leanings, thats what gets the votes. Scotland leans more towards the Scandinavian approach.

The SNP are also better at the local level and in most cases thats what counts.

Although the romanticism of nationalism appeals to all scots on some level, its only while it remains in abstract. If it ever looks likely to occur the answer will be a resounding no. The current SNP position is IMHO their high water mark.

Yeah sure, bring back the british empire. Why dont you'se hold the whole Irish plantations/ Northern Ireland troubles as a shining example of why the british empire was a good thing

reply to post by BarmyBilly


They aren't listening man.
I've posted twice saying the same thing but no-one seems to be paying any attention at all.
I thought more people would investigate this instead of just ignoring it offhand.