To The Powers To Be, Screw You!

Originally posted by David291
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

Why would u want to reinstate the constitution when it is clearly not working ... I know I'm from the Uk but even I can see that. We all need something new, something better. The constitution, while it is a good idea just didn't work.

The constitution works, its TPTB are the ones that hoard it out. The most all laws now are unconstitution

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

Follow the one and only true law of the land, the United States Constitution.

The Constitution is probably the worst document ever written, since it makes people believe that they have some control over the government. I don't see why that silly piece of paper would still be considered important once the SHTF.

edit on 29-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)

I 100% disagree with you. And no the constitution will not help when the SHTF but after when we start to rebuild

So you plan on rebuilding the govt?! The creator of this entire mess? ~_~

Oh well, good luck with that.

The plan is NOT to rebuild the goverment. its to transform the States to there constitutional foundings one small community at a time. And yes i will be apart of that

Originally posted by David291
reply to post by Rockdisjoint

 

Exactly my point, why use something that has clearly failed?

It's the statist mentality, where govts do good things, unicorns exist and rainbows come out of peoples asses.

Michael Moore land basically.

The NWO is in America in the form of the Republican Party’s assault on the economy, they are doing the same thing to the US as they are doing to the Greeks—it’s called austerity! I just wish you guys could see that before it’s too late. The Greeks can fight the NWO by rejecting the stranglehold of austerity they want to impose on them, but in the US, we can only fight them by rejecting the philosophy of the tea party and Republican conservativism. That is the way they are coming at us here in America.

Once the Republican austerity program of massive cutting is put in place, then the American economy will be doomed.

Those who want to fight the NWO in America; you better resist the Republican scam of budget cutting. The budget can easily be balanced without all the austerity they are going to do here, that will only depress the economy more, in the US and the world.

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The plan is NOT to rebuild the goverment. its to transform the States to there constitutional foundings one small community at a time. And yes i will be apart of that

So your plan is to create a bunch of small govts in every state?

reply to post by PhantomLimb


I say wait till the NWO deed is done.. then come out of hiding, then overthrow the remaining power with intelligence and precision. Then create a truly fail safe system of total transparency, with no elected officials. Every decision will be made by the populous as a collective consciousness. People know what is right and wrong until greed corrupts them and they loose sight of moral idealism's. They then get sucked into a self propelling ego driven mentality of desiring more and more materialistic values. At a certain point they become so wealthy that materialism is no longer satisfactory, the mind then craves power as they no longer have the drive of materialism. the Elite are "masters" of materialistic wealth... they have beat the game of hierarchy via monetary status.. the power is what they crave because its the only thing that will feed their addiction to always wanting more.. the elite are in fact crippled in the mind.. we have a better chance then them on surviving the upcoming events. sure the elites have a big plan... but its not very sophisticated. If I had the time to carry out an anti-NWO plan, we could out smart them and out power them. They are almost predictable and moronic. They just had many many years to pull the jenga blocks untill the point where we are right now.. where all they need to do is pull that one last jenga block and let it all fall.... guess what NWO... I'm smarter then you... We as a collective are smarter then you. The elites half-wit plans are inferior to the plans of the universe and humanity as a collective.. We will win! We will create a system that will eradicate such actions from ever being carried out again. Just remember, when the SHTF it's not me vs. you, it's not you vs. the world, its the world against a small group of predictable morons in hiding, justice will be served.

... nwo.. stick that in your green pipe and smoke it!

Originally posted by inforeal
The NWO is in America in the form of the Republican Party’s assault on the economy, they are doing the same thing to the US as they are doing to the Greeks—it’s called austerity! I just wish you guys could see that before it’s too late. The Greeks can fight the NWO by rejecting the stranglehold of austerity they want to impose on them, but in the US, we can only fight them by rejecting the philosophy of the tea party and Republican conservativism. That is the way they are coming at us here in America.

Once the Republican austerity program of massive cutting is put in place, then the American economy will be doomed.

OMG not you again, you always high jack my threads and derail them. How is ONLY the repubicans assault? The DEMs are the ones with the handouts, bailouts, SS, and medicare. all they do is spend spend spend. It cant be fixed. yes austerity will make the economy fall but it wont collapse unless we just let it be like we are doing now.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

The plan is NOT to rebuild the goverment. its to transform the States to there constitutional foundings one small community at a time. And yes i will be apart of that

So your plan is to create a bunch of small govts in every state?

yes and no, Ban the federal goverment and let it only be used for comerce and to unite in a state of war and let every state be its own intity

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It's hard to discuss to be honest, I can't think of one good idea to make a non-corrupt goverment. Power usually corrupts... even removing the goverment everyone points at having someone in power but that's just the same as before really.

reply to post by David291


the answer is simple really... a 100% transparent government ran by the people with no elected officials.

reply to post by Rockdisjoint

That was the plan to begin with. Each State its own country with a unified Government in D.C. The Fed Gov is not supposed to have jurisdiction outside D.C. I say it again in case you missed my earlier post... The Constitution is suspended due to the state of emergency declared for the International War of States placing us all under the jurisdiction of the Fed. Lift the state of emergency and you return power back to the INDIVIDUAL STATE. Each State is a Nation as created originally.

reply to post by camaro68ss


With all due respect you should study history, recent in particular. Who ballooned the present budget? The Republicans under George Bush’s bailout of the banks and the Iraq war. Of course it’s not Republicanism entirely, because Bill Clinton repealed the glass steagel act, with the ardent support of Republicans, which allowed for all the heavy derivative trading that was the direct cause of the present depression.

Look at the record. Who wants to destroy the middle class? Republicans

Who is always against stopping the outsourcing of American jobs? Republicans

Who is against the laws that can control Wall Street and prevent another bailout of the banks? Republicans

Who always wants to raise the defense budget? Republicans

Who always wants to cut taxes for the rich? Republicans

Granted the Dems often help the Republicans, but they, the Republicans, are the driving force behind issues that will destroy the middle class and poor.

Spending on Medicare, social security, and other issues like helping the poor isn’t the reason for the present economic crises, it is the NWO’s direct hand in the derivative crises in order to destabilize the world economies and then they can create an excuse to take over.

Of course democrats are not much better, but we have to fight those at the vanguard of the NWO’s assault on the American economic system. . . . And that is the Republican conservative philosophy. Look at the record and it backs up what I write.

Just using the tired old Alex Jones rap about some abstract NWO and not understand who in our political system is doing their bidding, by destroying social safety nets when people are at the most vulnerable during this depression, doesn’t look at the reality of the situation.

Those peddling the Alex Jones crap about Ron Paul and who never identify the Tea party and republican conservative philosophy as a big part of the problem are doing the bidding of the NWO.

Originally posted by ConspiraCity
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

Then create a truly fail safe system of total transparency, with no elected officials. Every decision will be made by the populous as a collective consciousness. People know what is right and wrong until greed corrupts them and they loose sight of moral idealism's.

The problem with this is that there is no truly safe, effective, fool-proof system with transparency. How can you do without elected officials? What we're all going to vote every day on some new proposed law? Come on, get real. People know what is "right" and "wrong" even when they've been corrupted by greed. Do you think that when someone starts loving money over everything else that they suddenly forget those things? Hell no. They just lose their conscience and don't care anymore.

If you truly want to sit on your ass and wait for this supposed New World Order (red herring) then by all means do so. That would seem to be the idea of this working in the first place. It doesn't even have to be real. There doesn't have to be martial law, genocide, or even a crackdown on human rights. They (whomever they are) only have to create a problem in someone's mind that that individual couldn't personally see any way of solving and more than likely they'll turn out like yourself. Droning on and on about the problem with the NWO and how they'll fix it once it takes complete control of everything. Am I right? I think that's what you're saying in a nut shell.

Originally posted by David291
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

It's hard to discuss to be honest, I can't think of one good idea to make a non-corrupt goverment. Power usually corrupts... even removing the goverment everyone points at having someone in power but that's just the same as before really.

True true true. Even if you remove a government there is always someone waiting in the wings and salivating at the opportunity to take control. Take the Office of President. I don't know how anyone doesn't realize that a person who wants to be POTUS is obviously a power-hungry sociopath who will say and do anything to get their hands on that prize of power.

We really do need to restructure our system and balance out the power all over again NWO or no NWO.

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Pft... Repubocrats are the entire problem...

Not 1 side of the coin or the other... THE WHOLE COIN IS CORRUPT

Originally posted by PhantomLimb

Originally posted by ConspiraCity
reply to post by PhantomLimb

 

Then create a truly fail safe system of total transparency, with no elected officials. Every decision will be made by the populous as a collective consciousness. People know what is right and wrong until greed corrupts them and they loose sight of moral idealism's.

The problem with this is that there is no truly safe, effective, fool-proof system with transparency. How can you do without elected officials? What we're all going to vote every day on some new proposed law? Come on, get real. People know what is "right" and "wrong" even when they've been corrupted by greed. Do you think that when someone starts loving money over everything else that they suddenly forget those things? Hell no. They just lose their conscience and don't care anymore.

If you truly want to sit on your ass and wait for this supposed New World Order (red herring) then by all means do so. That would seem to be the idea of this working in the first place. It doesn't even have to be real. There doesn't have to be martial law, genocide, or even a crackdown on human rights. They (whomever they are) only have to create a problem in someone's mind that that individual couldn't personally see any way of solving and more than likely they'll turn out like yourself. Droning on and on about the problem with the NWO and how they'll fix it once it takes complete control of everything. Am I right? I think that's what you're saying in a nut shell.

first paragraph, spot on.. you more or less said exactly what I said about greed making one not care.
and yes.. I sincerely doubt people would have any issues with collaborating on the creation of a system to prevent corruption. (after all... that system that allowed corruption hypothetically just killed off majority of the populous and enslaved the rest for their gain)

second paragraph, you make a wrong assumption of me, implying I devote majority of my time "droning" and contemplating over these issues.. horribly wrong.. try again.

Originally posted by morder1
reply to post by inforeal

 

Pft... Repubocrats are the entire problem...

Not 1 side of the coin or the other... THE WHOLE COIN IS CORRUPT

Yeah everytime someone proves the fact republicans are the problem, 100 times more corrupt than democrats, people like you throw that both are the same. Indeed both are conservative...if that is your bottom line.

I am absolutely sick and tired of hearing the "ss, medicare/medicaid, welfare" crap being thrown around as being problematic. If we didn't have a grossly inflated black budget....which no one talks about because they don't have the nerve to talk about..then things would not be half as bad as they are now. Trillions of TAX PAYER dollars to banks, who created the derivative problem, billions to restructure iraq and afghanistan to supply oil and heroin respectively, jobs being shipped overseas for decades, tax breaks to the wealthy, etc.

What the hell happened to the middle class and lower class?

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by camaro68ss

 

The plan is NOT to rebuild the goverment. its to transform the States to there constitutional foundings one small community at a time. And yes i will be apart of that

So your plan is to create a bunch of small govts in every state?

Its probably something like the union of soviet socialist republics before it collapsed to become many independent nations of today. Totally disfunctional to have 50 seperate nations bellonging to the union of the United States.

We need to get rid of state capitalism in america where government has become a corporation of its own and serves every other corporation, including banks. During 1873 america lost its sovereign status and became an artificial entity, aka corporation. The usa is registered in the state of delaware including all the alphabet agencies.

Ron Paul may think he knows what he is talking about, but anyone with real knowledge knows he is a capitalist nwo puppet for a capitalist world dictatorship. Lets rid ourselves of the socialism/communism paranoia because both socialism and communism are dead, while in actuallity only capitalism is the real menace. Work more, get paid less, spend less, go bankrupt, destroy the enviroment, make healthcare unaffordable due to wall street greed which finances fear driven articles, etc.

I can go on and on and on, but ATS has become a captialist propaganda site almost as bad as yahoo, but at least there is no censorship here. On yahoo they only accept ron paul and republican misinformation and the nsa is at the heart of the conspiracy. # globalisation and elitism driven from america!!!

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Blah, blah, blah.

Two hundred and twenty words and no economics.

What is your definition of: Capitalism, socialism and communism?

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Two hundred and twenty words and no economics.

Eleven words and no common sense. Bankers create the problem, the tax payers bail them out and people like you apologise for their actions. Way to go man! Do you enjoy paying $3.50 at the gas pump due to wall street speculators not buying up the oil rather than just signing FAKE "contracts"

Don't blah, blah, blah me with nonsense because it becomes apparent you have a shallow arguement. At least I give plenty of REAL WORLD examples of capitalist fraud!