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Originally posted by tpg65
Why not elaborate on your theory ?
Originally posted by Judge_Holden
I believe you are getting Fatalism and Determinism confused. If you want a proper explanation of Determinism, then look no further than Daniel Dennett.
Here is an article interesting and useful article about Dennett that appeared in Reason Magazine in 2003:
Determinism Article
Originally posted by Judge_Holden
reply to post by NewlyAwakened
I believe you are getting Fatalism and Determinism confused. If you want a proper explanation of Determinism, then look no further than Daniel Dennett.
Here is an article interesting and useful article about Dennett that appeared in Reason Magazine in 2003:
Determinism Article
if determinism is true, then there's less randomness. There's less unpredictability. To have freedom, you need the capacity to make reliable judgments about what's going to happen next, so you can base your action on it.
Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
If human behavior is entirely deterministic, with decision-making entirely reducible to deterministic physics within the brain, then there is no room for experience.
The very discussion of the concept of experience takes place through a physical medium; therefore the qualia themselves must necessarily have an impact on the physical environment. So if discussions of qualia are meaningful, then the brain cannot be fully deterministic because qualia add nothing to deterministic particle-twiddling. If the brain is fully deterministic, then qualia (experience) do not exist.
If you're not a p-zed then you know that qualia do exist.
Therefore your brain is not fully deterministic.
QED?
Originally posted by sirnex
variable that leads to qualia/experience
Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
Originally posted by sirnex
variable that leads to qualia/experience
Can you give an example of such a variable?
Even a hypothetical example of how a physically measurable quantity "leads to" qualia/experience?
I believe you and I have been down this road before, in the materialism thread. But if you want to give bumps to more of my threads, please do.
Originally posted by sirnex
You understand what I'm saying.
Originally posted by sirnex
perhaps you shouldn't be discussing this topic.
Originally posted by sirnex
Here's an example. Hungry, what to eat.
Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
I get the suspicion you still don't understand what the word "qualia" means. Until you do you're playing in the wrong league. I'm not going to try to make you understand the way I tried and failed in the materialism thread.
Originally posted by ExistentialNightmare
Are you talking about fatalism?
Originally posted by Jezus
But your original point was that experience (qualia) and freewill are inseparable right?