Telstra, Optus to start censoring the web next month.

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Optional for the ISP to implement not for the end user. Lol a kiddie fiddler is going to opt in for a filter?

Seems that Australian is the testing ground. They seem to normally have more strict laws from gaming to the Internet, as it is. They are, of course, no way as bad a s China with censorship ...Sadly, the logical next step, unless people step up to stop it.

I don't have an issue with internet censorship, if it means the child porn, terrorism etc based websites are blocked. What I do have an issue with is the government choosing what websites to block without making the criteria and list available in the public domain. It's a case or "trust us, we know whats best for you".

Senator Conroy has been on a personal crusade to push this through regardless of what the Australian public want.

Internet Censorship, Carbon Tax, the failed FuelWatch and GroceryWatch website, the MySchool debarcle, when will it end, when will the Australian public be allowed to remove these imbociles from Government?!

Originally posted by AusiAnarchist
Sure it's only the two largest ISPs in Australia, its only a weak implementation and it only filters out child porn websites, or so they tell us..

Am I the only one who finds it odd that they are talking about dealing with child porn websites by trying to censor it at the receiving end rather than the sending end?

I thought just about every major country that assigns IP addresses has passed laws against child porn and that any child porn website worldwide could be shut down simply by reporting the site and having the provider take the website down, am I wrong?

So I must admit this whole censorship thing doesn't make much sense to me.

I had no idea there were 500 child porn sites online, is that true? If so, why don't we just shut them down at the source rather than setting up some kind of censorship? If we take the illegal sites down, then there shouldn't be any need to censor.

reply to post by ParAvion

Not a good bet.This site is a prime example.

reply to post by w3nd1g0


I'm detecting a little ambiguity as to whether the plan is 'optional' for users, or 'optional' for ISPs. The way I read it leans towards the latter, but it may well be the former.

Censorship of the internet is only good if you are a parent wanting to inhibit your child
from viewing profanity. Now, blocking sites that contain child pornography--yes---that is considered acceptable and necessary, but only that and in other few cases similar to the aforementioned one.

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Damn it

No more shemale porn

Originally posted by BalderAsir
I don't have an issue with internet censorship, if it means the child porn, terrorism etc based websites are blocked. What I do have an issue with is the government choosing what websites to block without making the criteria and list available in the public domain. It's a case or "trust us, we know whats best for you".

Senator Conroy has been on a personal crusade to push this through regardless of what the Australian public want.

Internet Censorship, Carbon Tax, the failed FuelWatch and GroceryWatch website, the MySchool debarcle, when will it end, when will the Australian public be allowed to remove these imbociles from Government?!

Hey mate

Don't mean to hijack the thread - but WHAT is with your avatar? I can't make heads or tails of it. Care to explain?

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IT'S CLASSIFIED!
You don't need to know.
Surprise is a primary skill of US Warriors.We don't want the bad guy to know jack.One day Mr Jihadist is there the next day...gone.
Nobody will ever know what ALL of our forces are doing.They told me that in basic training.
We can clearly say however there evidently is a deep black side that has been swept away behind a false curtain of what is accepted for history.

Australia is a freemason oasis. Australia is used as a guiding light to be an example of what the NWO is all about. I live here I see it everyday. Politics here is really bad. There is no resistance because the established secret societies control both sides of parliament.

Canberra our capital city, hosts a Multi-level communication hub that's is connect to every telephone exchange, post office, police station, everything. Its called the Deacon Centre.

Our country leads the way in NWO activities. this is no surprise to me.

US bases and underground facilities. Strewn the Australian landscape.

No one can do anything about it. It's only going to get worse.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by AusiAnarchist
Sure it's only the two largest ISPs in Australia, its only a weak implementation and it only filters out child porn websites, or so they tell us..

Am I the only one who finds it odd that they are talking about dealing with child porn websites by trying to censor it at the receiving end rather than the sending end?

I thought just about every major country that assigns IP addresses has passed laws against child porn and that any child porn website worldwide could be shut down simply by reporting the site and having the provider take the website down, am I wrong?

So I must admit this whole censorship thing doesn't make much sense to me.

I had no idea there were 500 child porn sites online, is that true? If so, why don't we just shut them down at the source rather than setting up some kind of censorship? If we take the illegal sites down, then there shouldn't be any need to censor.

Yeah you are wrong. A number of sites have been reported are still up. Girls in bikinis isn't CP. But is classed as CP. how does that work?

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CH-47 door gunner playing dress up in the sand pit

The mask is common place for door gunners, helps to prevent ingesting sand, and looks mean. Guns were flogged from local USMC boys for the photo

Originally posted by MasterAndrew
Girls in bikinis isn't CP. But is classed as CP. how does that work?

Well if that's the case, it sounds to me like someone doesn't know what CP is (not referring to you, but the idiots making the classifications).

I don't think all countries have passed laws against girls being photographed in bikinis and then calling it child porn, the US seems to be one of the few countries who has gone that far.

Does Australia also consider photos of girls in bikinis to be child porn? Is that what this is about?

Originally posted by ExCommando

Originally posted by AusiAnarchist

Telstra, Optus to start censoring the web next month.

News

MOST Australian internet users will have their web access censored next month after the country's two largest internet providers agreed to voluntarily block more than 500 websites from view.

The voluntary scheme was originally proposed by the Federal Government last year as part of a wider, $9.8 million scheme to encourage internet service providers to block all Refused Classification material from users as an optional service.

(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 22-6-2011 by AusiAnarchist because: Autoscripting malfunction.

I, personally, have absolutely no problems with censorship on the net.

Take a look at another article on the news right now;

Terrorists find all their info online

Brief rundown - potential terrorists can find anything they want online.

So, as someone who doesn't look up kiddie porn or how to make bombs, why should this censorship bother me?

If it stops even a handful of people doing the wrong thing, then I'm all for it.

Same as heightened security at airports - 30 mins inconvenience, to stop a psycho with a gun is a price I will happily pay for my familys safety.

You are totally out of your mind. I hope you are being sarcastic, or are not a real person but some govt bot thing, but I doubt it. This is the attitude of 99 percent of the sheeple. This stuff will pass like a breeze, because all the idiots are "all for it if it makes us safe" and soon you won't be able to see anything that the govt says is not ok. And you think this is GOOD? You think this makes you SAFE? You are FULLY INDOCTRINATED.

this guy tells it like it is:

Once they start censoring they will not stop, most people know this. Once they start taxing, they will tax every thing they can, every one knows this. How ever, when the govt finds out you can kill some one with a pencil and make the murder weapon disappear at the same time, they will start banning this video and other violence.

www.youtube.com...

If it was just child porn thats fine, but once you have your foot in the door, why not walk through? Its like when a fast food place says the burgers as being cooked, it will take 5 minutes, then it takes 15 instead. You are already waiting, whats another 10 minutes.

Just the fact they said its an option makes it stink even more. Its like making speeding tickets an option (in a world where tickets did not exist). If you want to speed, you will not want a ticket. Better yet, its like giving people an option to have their farts monitored where farting in public is illegal.

Fellow Australians,

Goodbye 2011, hello 1984.

Hope you enjoyed your internet freedom, I'm afraid it's most likely downhill from here. Check out the comments on news.com.au, most comments (i.e. 99%) are against this, the only one I saw all for it took the bait of "'this is for stopping child pornography, anyone who's against it must be a kiddy fiddler'". VPN, proxy, tor, deep web, torrents are just a few ways around it from what I can see already. Yes I can really see how this is going to work *facepalm*.

They will have the 'power' to censor whatever they wish without providing a list of banned sites. What's to stop them from banning ATS for example due to its free - thinking nature?

Anyway, not much us peons can do it about rather than protest I guess - sigh.

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They want to convert the entire Internet into a commercial toy.

I guarantee it. Other news around this was about liable and shoddy websites. It won't be too long before providers have to be licensed.

Originally posted by ExCommando
A homegrown terrorist, who has been indoctrinated in his home country (say the UK, or Australia), can join a chat room, and discuss the tactics to implement an attack; or they can browse a website and download a manual on how to make a bomb.

Or they could take one of the many chemistry classes out there and learn it in no time. Or go to a library and look up the formula for TNT. Or ask a random person in the street.

Seriously, anyone can make a bomb if they really want to. Why shouldn't we be addressing the reasons they want to blow # up instead of hurting other people's freedoms who have no intention of doing this?

This article surprises and annoys me because I haven't heard a peep about it in the MSM, besides Telstra cutting a new deal with the government to build the NBN more cheaply.

They ran a trial of this filter and most ISPs and IT specialists said it was pointless, waste of money and only slows down the internet.

The whole Child Porn thing is a joke - internet filters will not stop child porn traffickers, they will hurt normal people.

The whole point is, the filter starts with just Child Porn, but then its easy to add other sites to the banned list. So what's next? Gambling? Drug harm minimisation? ATS?

Information is never the enemy. Information is not harmful on its own, its how people use it that matters. If there's no reason to blow people up then there's no reason to stop the flow of information. So lets stop invading other people's countries already.