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Originally posted by 11azerus11
so under all the bs and propaganda there is a fundamental truth to all religions.... and the fundamental truth is all we need...
Originally posted by Partygirl
I can see the athiest brigade has shown up...as well as the even more extreme Mr. "Left-hand path 666." Biased much?
Regarding hell, I won't quote scripture to nonbelievers as I have learned they throw up walls around their ears and hearts in the face of the Word. But to dissect the issue a little, Mr. LHP666 is putting words in my mouth by claiming I and other Christians think we are "better" than those who will burn in the Lake, or by thinking they somehow deserve it.
None of us know or can know where we stand in the Lord's graces. It is blasphemous and impossible to try to determine this matter.
See, its a force beyond your personal control that decides this. The same is true with many mysteries of the Lord, including the issue of the Lake of Fire.
Originally posted by Partygirl
Some people see the word "fundamentalist" as an insult of some kind. To me it is a badge of pride. I think I am more or less correct in describing myself as a fundamentalist because:
-I believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.
-I believe in the literal truth of bodily resurrection, Judgement Day, the Virgin Birth, and so on.
-I believe salvation is only possible through Christ (John 14:6) and that one must be Washed in the Blood, born again, and establish a personal relationship with Christ.
So this makes me a fundamentalist. But I don't fit the mold of what people think about fundamentalists, for the most part, because:
-I am an environmentalist.
-I do not hold the political views most of my co-religionsts do (i.e., Republican) -- I have what are perhaps more radical and unusual political beliefs: I believe government of the world should be turned over to young people, for example, and I'd like to see the FED/banking system dismantled.
-I tend to keep quiet about my faith, except in forums like this where it is specifically the topic, or in situations when I am specifically promoting it.
-I dress, act, and talk in a way that is outwardly more "secular" than "Christian" if you know what I mean.
-I am willing to entertain alternative (and sometimes very unsual) interpretations of Scripture.
If you can provide an analysis that is rooted in scripture, I will be open to consideration of the logic, even if it seems bizzare to most people. I enjoy pushing hermaneutical boundries.
Regarding hell, I won't quote scripture to nonbelievers as I have learned they throw up walls around their ears and hearts in the face of the Word.
Originally posted by kinglizard
It's funny madness that you pick apart posts the same way you pick apart scripture.
Just find some peace for yourself...recognise and accept this is a faith based belief.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...I do recognize that it's a faith based belief, which is why I oppose it.
Originally posted by kinglizard
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...I do recognize that it's a faith based belief, which is why I oppose it.
If you truly recognised it is a faith based belief you would not continually demand scientific proof.
Your ATS name is "Madness in my soul"....you are not at peace even if you claim to be.
You actions and posts on this board prove it.
Feel free to oppose faith based belief but attempting to prove it wrong through scientific evidence is madness.
It's funny madness that you pick apart posts the same way you pick apart scripture.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
You have faith in your near death experience...something that scientists have concretely shown is a product of brain chemistry to the point where they have recreated such experiences in controlled conditions.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoulAs for peace for myself...well, I'm at quite a great level of personal peace and to accuse me of not having any is to be ignorant and presumptuous.
Originally posted by Vicky32
It doesn't look like it! You seem to be the most bitter, depressed and angry of all the angry-atheists here. If this is peace by you, I am not having any, thanks! :lo
Originally posted by Partygirl
Originally posted by Vicky32
It doesn't look like it! You seem to be the most bitter, depressed and angry of all the angry-atheists here. If this is peace by you, I am not having any, thanks! :lo
He (or she) does seem to get particularly worked up, doesn't he? High blood pressure is a killer...
I appreciate the effort and attention but these arguments can serve no purpose. Ultimately they are Religion 101 arguments, and personally they bore me. But to each their own...
edit on 7-6-2011 by Partygirl because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Vicky32
You wish, is all I can say! Scientists have shown no such thing, of course. The full experience has never been replicated under controlled conditions.
If you're going to quote Susan Blackmore at me, I can refute all of her somewhat cracked assertions.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoulAs for peace for myself...well, I'm at quite a great level of personal peace and to accuse me of not having any is to be ignorant and presumptuous.
It doesn't look like it! You seem to be the most bitter, depressed and angry of all the angry-atheists here. If this is peace by you, I am not having any, thanks!
Originally posted by Partygirl
He (or she) does seem to get particularly worked up, doesn't he?
High blood pressure is a killer...
I appreciate the effort and attention but these arguments can serve no purpose. Ultimately they are Religion 101 arguments, and personally they bore me. But to each their own...
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Speaking of not being angry, I'm going to go play with my dog because he's a hell of a lot more entertaining.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Partygirl
... I do get a bit frustrated when I have to bang my head against the wall repeatedly as I have to re-re-re-re-re-re-re-explain the same point for the thousandth time on Origins and Creationism. I can't even count how many times I've had to explain what a 'theory' is or what the actual definition for 'evolution' is (if you're interested, it's in my signature)...
Originally posted by Partygirl
No offence, but then why bother?
Your membership says you have been here since 2005; have you been having the same arguments since 2005?
I'm not picking on you at all, I'm honestly curious. It's not an insult in and of itself because, after all, to be a missionary or an evangelist is ultimately to patiently subject yourself to the same repetitive arguments for a lifetime.
So I understand that this involves patience and dedication. My only question is: Why? Why bother?
For a Christian, the answer is simple: He is called on to do so as part of his faith.
But for an athiest...I have to wonder what the motivation is?
Especially since athiests almost universally assure us that they do not themselves carry out missonary work for their faith in the slightest.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
I'm here to convince them to look at my position by having an open discourse with those who don't agree with me.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Because religion hurts people and I want the world to have less suffering.