Do You Have a License to be a Clown?

Originally posted by MaskedDebater
Just my opinion of course unless this is just meant to be another anti government rant thread.

Why has questioning the scope of Government, given the established constraints and limitations become "anit-government?"

Originally posted by Shirak
Ridiculous call and just more revenue from struggling artists. I ll bet shes the spokesperson for the regulatory authority wannabes. In Australia we have whats called a blue card. If you work around kids you must have one it contains all the background checks etc.
Regulating a dying art with some governing body will be the death of it. Next they will be trying to tells the clowns what jokes are appropriate and what are not!!!
Enough with the regulations and people crying its for the protection of children to get these draconian laws passed.
I grew up in a family of 10 kids. Our parents taught us at a young age how to discern dodgy behavior from adults and it kept us safe. It wasn't some dush in an office collecting more tax for the right to do art.
Just like people calling for a register regulation body to be allowed to do planking.

Why is it that hollywood can turn something that was created for joy laughter and happiness int osomething creepy and dodgy for children?) Steven King you have a lot to answer for!!!!
Ok well Steven King is ok but I hope you get the point.

edit on 2-6-2011 by Shirak because: an extra 2 cents

It's called a working with children check,if you do volunteer work ,like at a junior football club they are free,If you are a paid worker like a child care worker you must pay for it,

I really don't have a problem with it,but if the person hasn't been caught doing anything then nothing will show up,
but you can't always protect against the unknown,but you can protect against the known scum sucking should be dead pedo that is trying to volunteer at a junior sports club,

I'd say this "clown license" is more of a background check than a actual license,I'd rather have known child molesters kept away from children , but maybe that's just me ,

As for clowns i hate the bastard's , damn freaks.

Australia's most famous clown duo were Zig and Zag ,until

Child sex abuse scandal See also: Child sexual abuse In March 1999, Zig and Zag stood down from the Moomba festival after they had been announced as Moomba Monarchs. It was disclosed that, in 1994, at Heidelberg Magistrates' Court, Perry had "pleaded guilty to seven counts of unlawful indecent assault against his granddaughter", Debra Clark, which had occurred "from the age of 12, between 1979 and 1981, while she lived with her grandparents".[10] In 1999, other allegations of indecent assault of children also surfaced.[11] Clark revealed that she had been indecently assaulted, by Perry, during an interview on television current affairs show, Today Tonight just before Perry (as Zig) with McKenzie (as Zag), were due to be crowned.[12] The Moomba committee was devastated, and announced that there would be no replacement for the duo.[2][5] Subsequent festivals had no monarch until 2010 when Kate Ceberano and Molly Meldrum were announced as Queen and King of Moomba.[2][13]

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
The topic is not about clowns, it is about licensing schemes. When licensed pediatricians are discovered to be pedophiles, it tends to undermine the usefulness of licenses.

Well, no, it really doesn't. It just means they know how to pediatry and have proven it so, with tests and diplomas.

maybe the people of the United States should stop looking for witches to torch, and deal with actual problems? Just a thought.

Originally posted by TrypToNonymous

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
The topic is not about clowns, it is about licensing schemes. When licensed pediatricians are discovered to be pedophiles, it tends to undermine the usefulness of licenses.

Well, no, it really doesn't. It just means they know how to pediatry and have proven it so, with tests and diplomas.

Yes, it does. With iatrogenocide (death by doctoring) being the third leading cause of death for Americans, your words ring hollow.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
maybe the people of the United States should stop looking for witches to torch, and deal with actual problems? Just a thought.

I think maybe your right! Thanks for hangin' with me in this thread Fox. It is nice to see you.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
We have to be licensed to drive, have a day care, own a business, practice medicine, practice law, to fish, to hunt, to sell tobacco, to sell liquor, sell lemonade, to broadcast, offer advice.

Clowns? (personally, ew) Sure.

But before clowns, politicians should hold a license to determine if they can handle the fiscal responsibility, moral authority, and if they are deemed intellignt enough to serve as a public servant.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Yes, it does. With iatrogenocide (death by doctoring) being the third leading cause of death for Americans, your words ring hollow.

Wait, this isn't the believer's thread. Never mind. Cool word though!

reply to post by beezzer

We have to be licensed to drive, have a day care, own a business, practice medicine, practice law, to fish, to hunt, to sell tobacco, to sell liquor, sell lemonade, to broadcast, offer advice.

No, we don't "have" to be licensed in order to do what is a natural unalienable right. The people have stupidly gone into agreement with such licensing schemes, but we certainly do not "have" to.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by beezzer

 

We have to be licensed to drive, have a day care, own a business, practice medicine, practice law, to fish, to hunt, to sell tobacco, to sell liquor, sell lemonade, to broadcast, offer advice.

No, we don't "have" to be licensed in order to do what is a natural unalienable right. The people have stupidly gone into agreement with such licensing schemes, but we certainly do not "have" to.

Forgive.

Change to; "The law requires. . . . "

reply to post by beezzer

Forgive. Change to; "The law requires. . . . "

You do not need my forgiveness beezer, I like you. That said, the law does not require licensing schemes. Legislation does. Further, much of these licensing schemes would fall apart under the close scrutiny of the law. The Constitutions in the United States, (state and federal), are the Supreme Law of the Land. Within these Constitutions are either the Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Rights that serve as express prohibitions on government from abrogating and/or derogating peoples rights.

The fundamental right to earn a living has existed as long as people have existed. The United States hasn't even existed 250 years yet. You have a right to earn a living and unless that living is undeniably dangerous to people at large, then no state, or the federal government has any lawful authority to impose a licensing scheme upon you.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Your post brings to mind the HRH seal of approval in the United Kingdom. If I read your posts correctly, the government then, is giving authority to an action that is not theirs to approve.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Your post brings to mind the HRH seal of approval in the United Kingdom. If I read your posts correctly, the government then, is giving authority to an action that is not theirs to approve.

Move on up to the head of the class beezer! Good on you!

So where would you go to get this license? Do you have to go to a special clown school? Will there be OSHA regulations, like how big your shoes can be? I know let's have a clown test, written and practical. And let's not for get about clown car licenses and tag and special insurance for carrying to many clowns. This has to be the most retarded idea I've heard in... Oh let's say 20 minutes.

Screw it. Next time I travel by air, I want a random dude off the street to fly the plane. We don't need no stinkin' pilot's license...fugheddaboudit.

Granted, a clown license isn't about having achieved competence in clowndom. Clowning cannot be taught; it is a natural gift.

Licensing clearly does not prevent an individual from carrying-out actions that have nothing to do with competence in the field. This is more of a "we know who you are and we know where you live" sort of deal of social intimidation.

Bottom line is: painting it all with the same brush is non-sequitarianism.

Open your eyes.
Many cases of convicted sex offenders who were Santa Claus , magicians, clowns and other entertainers.
There are no regulations.
Law needed to require mandatory criminal record checks.
Entertainers travel to variety of communities
Entertainers are self employed we need laws forcing criminal record checks.
Entertainers have access to elderly, children and the vulnerable.

Cases in Ontario
Randy Miller aka Honker the clown.
News headline reads something like
"clown suspect in global kid porn ring" . Miller convicted of sex crimes involving minor and child porn.

Daniel Gyselinck Santa Claus in Barrie parade convicted of child porn

Chad Bogle aka Bogle the clown
Convicted of sex crimed.
Victim is mentally disabled.
New sex offense charges.

Shawn Chiasson Santa Claus in 5 GTA malls
Convicted of child porn.

Stephen Lynn aka Mr Magic
Convicted 3 times of sex crimes involving minors . Last conviction Lynn child victim was his magician assistant .

The list goes on and on
So why no regulations?

Unneccessary.

We already have this in place all over the country: we call them Bar Associations.

I'm laughing at the irrational fear of people wearing makeup and a rubber nose.
Maybe it's the big shoes?

You guys act as if clown is a species instead for a regular person playing dress up.

That's quite laughable.

a reply to: LindaBeaudoin

Those clowns should make their way of life a religion. Lots of pedo's in church and they get away with it...

Peace

originally posted by: Bullcookies
So where would you go to get this license? Do you have to go to a special clown school? Will there be OSHA regulations, like how big your shoes can be? I know let's have a clown test, written and practical. And let's not for get about clown car licenses and tag and special insurance for carrying to many clowns. This has to be the most retarded idea I've heard in... Oh let's say 20 minutes.

Lets not forget clown balloon insurance, licenses & certificates. Also, clown balloons are a lighter-than-air aircraft, may need to throw in some federal regulations on that too...