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Shouldn't Google have brought up AT least one MSM ?? besides abclocal ????
it was the exact TITLE ...................and yes troll .. i used Google .. if you didn't even read my post..
I pasted the title of this thread into Google and CNN not 1 min ago was reporting this .. NO LINKS 1-2 mins ago were on first 3 pgs of hits..
Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
police drowned ?? Is there another title OTHER than the one being used .. if so .. what is it .?? Shouldn't Google have brought up AT least one MSM ?? besides abclocal ????
every time I google a title to check for consistantcy .. i get no less than 10hits of the same title from the MSM because they're the first ones to report it .. I guess.. ??
edit on 1-6-2011 by Komodo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Komodo
Something is DEFINATELY not right with this story .. IMO..
the US Coast Guard DOES have Jusidiciion because they are based right on the island ITSELF. Seriously .. they're like 1 min away ~!!
Coas t Guard in Alameda CA
and he just 'waded' 1,800ft in to the ocean.. right ?? "waded' .. ?? or got sucked under..
I'm currently looking for the shore line depth to drop off point.. hmmm.. having a tuff time thus far..
To me 1,800ft which is about 1/3 of a mile appox is a good distance to be wading..
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Source
ALAMEDA, Calif. (KGO) -- Alameda police and firefighters stood by and watched as a man drowned off Crown Beach in Alameda on Monday. Authorities are now trying to explain why they had no choice but to stand on the shoreline.
Alameda police received a call shortly before noon on Monday from a woman saying her son wanted to kill himself. Raymond Zack, 53, then walked out into the water off Crown Beach.
"I thought it was kind of weird that they weren't going out to bring the guy in, you know, he was out there, his head was above water, he was looking at everybody, there was plenty of time for them to react," witness Perry Smith said.
For more than an hour, Zack stood up to his neck in the frigid surf off of Crown Beach in Alameda.
"Well, we expected to see at some point that there would be a concern for him and somebody would go out there and pull him in," witness Gary Barlow said.
About 75 beachgoers could not understand why Alameda police officers and firefighters stood idly by and watched the man slowly succumb to the 60 degree water.
"We're not trained to go into the water, obviously the type of gear that we have on, we don't have the type of equipment that you would use to go into the water," Alameda Police Lt. Joe McNiff said.
The man was a 150 yards out; it was too shallow for a Coast Guard boat and its helicopter was on another call. It arrived too late.
"It's horrible," Barlow said. "How can we let that happen? How can our emergency personnel allow that to happen? I don't get it, I don't understand it."
The Alameda Fire Department says budget constraints are preventing it from recertifying its firefighters in land-based water rescues. Without it, the city would be open to liability.
" Well, if I was off duty I would know what I would do, but I think you're asking me my on-duty response and I would have to stay within our policies and procedures because that's what's required by our department to do," Alameda Fire Div. Chief Ricci Zombeck said when asked by ABC7 if he would enter the water to save a drowning child.
Alameda firefighters could not even go into the water to get the body, so they waited until a woman in her 20s volunteered to bring the body back to the beach.
"The frustration is certainly understandable and I think the sensibility would be probably that we're going to evaluate our response protocols," Zombeck said.
Alameda fire officials say they are going to have a serious discussion about why Alameda, as an island city, does not have the ability to save people in danger in the water.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Jepic
Don't blame them for they are mindless drones, my friend. Mindless drones.edit on 1-6-2011 by Jepic because: (no reason given)
Mindless drones who don't deserve to be police or fire fighters.
Originally posted by searching411
I think this is about the unions saying "see what happens when we do not get what we want". Once again it is about our "authority figures" not being held accountable for their actions. This was a power play in that they let people die because the union is trying to manipulate the public for more power and more money. What stone hearted people we have become.
Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by pajoly
didn't see the in post link.. I clicked the link to the RAWSTORY..
Its the nations law that are screwed up not the men and women out the trying to save YOUR lives everyday.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
reply to post by pajoly
It doesn't have anything to do with a union.
Read my above post. It is about being charged with manslaughter if the patients dies when you are not qualified for a certain incident.
I am retired Fire/Rescue. When you are not certified for something and that person dies while you tried open heart massage, or anything you are not certified for you do not just get sued if that person dies.
You go to prison.
Just as to how you are reacting the jury reacts even worse if you screw up. The prosecutor will come out and treat you like a loose cannon of the worst kind because you were supposed to protect, not kill people.
Certification covers mistakes when it comes to criminal pursuit. IF you lose a patient and you are doing something you are not certified for you will go to prison for manslaughter.
Its the nations law that are screwed up not the men and women out the trying to save YOUR lives everyday.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
reply to post by pajoly
It doesn't have anything to do with a union.
Read my above post. It is about being charged with manslaughter if the patients dies when you are not qualified for a certain incident.