Meeting an ATS Friend - Crossing the border from Canada to the USA - I've never been so hassled

ten years ago i crossed the canadian border..i am from texas and carry a gun..we left the pistol at my father in laws house in upstate new york..my wife had wanted to see christmastown..upon seeing texas plates on my jeep cherokee..the guard asked if i was armed..told them no..my family and i were escorted to a waiting room..upon the guards leaving we discovered we were locked in.after about an hour we were told we could leave..all our belongings were scattered on the ground and we were baisicly ignored from that point..we turned around and went back to the usa..i will never go back to canada

reply to post by Kryties

love the quote you have in your signature - it describes perfectly my thoughts and feelings about America and it's people.....

There you go! You don't need to guzzle kool-aid to count the dead, world over. Denying terrorism doesn't negate any of the facts. I wish it did. Help yourself to the ample blinders you're wearing. Be my guest.

And bye the way, if you have a brilliant plan to defeat it, why don't speak up, instead of making catty remarks on a website?

Unless of course, you are truely in denial that there is such a thing. A pleasant world you've created for yourself. Congrats. Live long and prosper.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting

And bye the way, if you have a brilliant plan to defeat it, why don't speak up, instead of making catty remarks on a website?

There is no way to defeat 'terrorism'. 'Terrorism' is an idea, not a real enemy. To defeat 'terrorism' as it is defined by our governments, one would have to execute everyone on the planet - including themselves.

Get to it then....off ya go......

While I feel for your hassle and frustrations....id feel rather put off and frustrated myself....
It all makes sense at the end of the day....

1. driving someone else's car
2. meeting an unknown person you met on the internet (unknown because people you meet online are not always the same person they portrayed online as they are in person - I know this personally from experience)
3. cross country borders to meet this unknown person in someone else's car

While all are very well innocent on your part, they are suspect key words......Its an unfortunate reality we live in today. But these people are trained to look out for certain things and pick up on certain words/phrases/situations.

Whether you (in general) want to believe in terrorists or not, fact is, many communicate online and have never met in person and meet in public places to avoid looking sketchy. I know it is cool and "anti-establishment" to believe terrorism and terrorists are all made up and not true.....but that does not change the fact that there are terrorrist and they do have plans for terrorisim. Denying it does not change it.

It was just a totality of circumstances (or answers) that put you into this situation.

Sorry you had to go thru it

Sounds to me like the next time you come to the U.S., fly into Mexico first, and sneak in like the millions of others from south of the U.S. Border is WIDE OPEN down there, and ANYONE can get in. Just ask the people featured on www.immigrationshumancost.org...

LESSON LEARNED: Don't tell them EVERYTHING - sometimes too much truth is confusing for the PIG.

You should have just told them you were meeting FAMILY and left the part out about meeting the dude you met on the internet.

The PIG is an easily excitable and nervous creature. Too much TRUTH sends them into a high pitched squealing frenzy.

I got a similar reaction when arriving in canada by plane from the usa to meet a girl I met online. As soon as I mentioned the person I was visiting I met online the guy's attitude completely changed, he went from friendly to completely hostile, its as if I told him I was going to meet a drugdealer or something. Like really, meeting someone on the internet is such a big deal in 2011, wtf? I mean obviously when you're "meeting" someone in a different country, theres a much higher chance its going to be online, its not like they go to the same library or restaurant as you lol. Pretty silly, its like they pick the most conservative old fashioned people for these jobs who think the internet is some evil terrorist hangout.

Anyways, so soon as I mentioned that, he had me pulled into a side room to be interrogated, they did a background check on me, asked me a million questions about everything I've been doing the past xxx years, and went through all my luggage. Of course they found out I'm just a completely innocent young man trying to visit a girl I met playing games on the internet just like I said. It was really embarrassing and dehumanizing. I understand they have a job to do, but I can't see how meeting someone on the internet can be some reason to treat you like a criminal in 2011 and I just can't understand why they were so hostile and aggressive to me when they can accomplish the same thing of questioning or even searching in a much friendlier and pleasant way.

reply to post by Kryties

'Terrorism' is an idea, not a real enemy.

I'm trying very hard to not put one of those laughing emo's here. Trying not to be rude.

I just read some of your charming posts on the "I hate America thread".

You have an agenda, I see, to hate Americans, and all their actions as well.
Sometimes other emotions can disguise themselves as hatred; not sure about you. Perhaps you really do hate us and the way we live. Maybe you have your reasons to wear your blinders. I don't know you. But since you are not American, apparently, I don't see why it is such a concern for you. It is our border, and Canada's border.

I absolutely despise what happened to the OP, and the poster who related that her car was taken apart, and she had to have it towed away, absolutely made me cringe with disdain. But still, it doesn't negate the fact that we, unfortunately, must rise to the occasion, when confronted when acts of terrorism. Yeah. I said it again.

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


Im so sorry for your experience and hope you continue to make visits the United States, but you do understand that over the past several months several Boarder Patorl Agents have been shot at and killed? They are probably a little tense. But that still isnt an excuse for their behavior and do apologize on behalf of them. Sorry.

This is just the latest manifestation of a trend that started in the 1980s, when un-constitutional drug testing was allowed by the SCOTUS and even supported by many citizens. The "drug-property" seizure laws are another aspect - carry more cash than a cop is comfortable with and they can take it. They don't even have to charge you with anything, and there is no recourse.

Had we not had such an unbelievable miserable excuse for leadership in 2001 things might not be this far along this quickly, but the trend has been obvious for decades.

This country has a long history of going frenzy over nothing and applying massively inappropriate force, in the wrong places, to "solve" the problem of the day.

The water is getting warmer. The frog, increasingly uncomfortable, is still not worried enough.

Tell the complete truth = Get hassled
Tell a partial truth = No hassle
Tell lies = Become President

I think I'm detecting a trend here.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting


I just read some of your charming posts on the "I hate America thread".

You have an agenda, I see, to hate Americans, and all their actions as well.

Actually, your agenda appears to be to label me as something I am not - being an 'American hater'. If you had have searched my other posts you would have come across this one that I posted not so long ago that explains perfectly why I have a problem with Americans and why that does not automatically translate into 'American hatred'......it's amazing to see how many Americans throw that punchline out when they want to shut somebody up.....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by AndrewJay

The American hatred on this website makes me sick to my stomach.

You subject the rest of the world to America this and America that 365 days a year and expect everyone to shut up and deal with it, yet when another country has their moment in the spotlight all you can do is abuse them. Not only that but you interject with stories about how America the Great threw off the chains of enslavement blah blah blah...

This isn't about hatred. It's about the fact that the rest of the world is beyond sick to death of hearing about America every bloody day. GET THE HINT. We are sick of you. Nobody around the world gives two hoots about your history anymore. Your country has drifted far away from its original values, almost unrecognisably. Everyone else around the world can see this but you guys are so caught up in all your patriotic crap that you don't see the indoctrination. It's useless for others around the world to try telling you because you shut them down by immediately painting them as "America Haters"......a bit like you just did.

Perhaps you really do hate us and the way we live. Maybe you have your reasons to wear your blinders. I don't know you.

Yet another sickening attempt to accuse anyone who speaks badly of the USA of being 'jealous'. Really, haven't you lot figured out a better comeback than that yet?

Unbelievable.

"Al Qaeda is still a threat. We cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president, suddenly everything is going to be OK."

Barack Obama

reply to post by Kryties

You subject the rest of the world to America this and America that 365 days a year and expect everyone to shut up and deal with it, yet when another country has their moment in the spotlight all you can do is abuse them. Not only that but you interject with stories about how America the Great threw off the chains of enslavement blah blah blah...

This isn't about hatred. It's about the fact that the rest of the world is beyond sick to death of hearing about America every bloody day. GET THE HINT. We are sick of you. Nobody around the world gives two hoots about your history anymore. Your country has drifted far away from its original values, almost unrecognisably. Everyone else around the world can see this but you guys are so caught up in all your patriotic crap that you don't see the indoctrination. It's useless for others around the world to try telling you because you shut them down by immediately painting them as "America Haters"......a bit like you just did.

Hm. Well, if you don't come outright and say it, do you think your attitude might just have a tad to do with why I might get that impression?

Truthfully, I'm not enamored with the different paths our country has taken. Like most other countries, we change. Some mistakes through our own making, others through being given only choices between the horrible and the terrible.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting

Truthfully, I'm not enamored with the different paths our country has taken. Like most other countries, we change. Some mistakes through our own making, others through being given only choices between the horrible and the terrible.

Trouble is, unlike most other countries, when the United States hiccups the rest of the world feels it. This is a consequence of your foreign policy.

I cannot understand what is so hard for Americans to comprehend why their country is disliked around the world. You hiccup too much and the rest of us suffer on a regular basis because of it.

"Don't blame us average Americans" I hear you cry - and yet who votes in the people who make the horrendous decisions hmm? Would that be the very same public crying foul that it's "not their fault"?

If Americans actually took up arms or whatever and DID SOMETHING about the mess your country is in then I would have all the respect in the world for you guys. But you don't, despite whinging about keeping your guns and constitution blah blah blah......

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


"guard-come get your papers"

NAZI GERMANY IF I EVER HEARD IT

this is NOT MY COUNTRY

its clear we have a foothold situation

our nation has been infiltrated and we are under attack from within

if i had the power id have EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN ARRESTED and charged with treason

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Gradius Maximus

 

I have relatives in Toronto and we travel to Canada every year. Most of the time it's hassle free, but the last time my family went we got hassled. They asked us some really stupid questions like the ones you experienced. One of the questions they asked was what are you planning on doing during your stay. I said probably go shopping. She said where? (I didn't have anything planned so I said the mall). Than she said "what store are you planning on going to?" I looked at my wife and she looked at me and we both started laughing. I looked at her and I said "I have no idea what store or stores I plan on shopping at." She got really pissed and kept threatening to have us pull over and check our van. She finally let us go, but the wife and I really thought it was really ridiculous. Just thought I would let you know, it happens both ways.

This is what happens when we hire people of less than 100 I.Q. and lots of them to protect us.
Protect us.....

reply to post by Gradius Maximus


That's so crazy! I would have cried, what boarder crossing did this happen at?

Originally posted by inanna1234
reply to post by Gradius Maximus

 

That's so crazy! I would have cried, what boarder crossing did this happen at?

This happened at the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls, ON. He was coming to visit me, and I had no idea that he would get so much crap from our "wonderful" border patrol agents.

Protecting our country, they are not. This is Nazism at its finest (or worst, depending on how you are looking at the situation).



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Kryties

 

Wait, America is the testing ground.

Ground zero for the spreading tyranny................if not nipped in the bud this too will spread like a cancer.

But the rest of the world just doesn't realize this yet.

I agree