Car that runs on water? Japanese co. challenge to big oil?

I am not a HATER, I am approaching this critically and WATER FUELED CARS ARE THE MOST RETARDED INVENTION EVER unless A) Water vapour can become a non green house gas AND B) There is an EFFICIENT and COST EFFECTIVE means of purifying salt water... which there isn't OR C) We can create water out of thin air. + I forgot D) must be met which is THE LAWS OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND MUST BE DISSOLVED IN ORDER FOR WATER TO STILL BE AFFORDABLE UNLESS C) IS MET.

Woot woot for electrical cars, but can anyone say RISE IN PRICE OF ELECTRICITY?

I realized on the previous page an admin made a comment which essential argues some of my points so here is my counter before anyone says anything:

Climate change theory is based on the IDEA that GREENHOUSE GASES are affecting the climate and WATER VAPOUR IS THE SINGLE MOST COMMON GREENHOUSE GAS.

Sure WATER IS EVERYWHERE but SALT IS NOT GOOD FOR ENGINES OR METAL.

reply to post by ELahrairah


You drive a point with the "laws of physics"
But were these not theory at one point until enough guys in lab coats said yeah it's good?
People break the law everyday, they are generally called criminals but every once in a while they get the recognition of revolutionary!
Maybe they think outside of the box, let em think.

reply to post by User8911


Yes we could if we had enough people behind the idea but,....
All of the billions that would get poured into research just like aids, hiv, cancer, diabetes, world hunger, Etc infinity would just end up in some suits pocket.
It's a lose lose situation.

You see I have done hydrogen electrolysis it is quite easy you run electricity through water and you get hydrogen on the positive wire and oxygen on the negative wire once my battery ran dead the reaction quit.
The reaction does not produce energy to regain what is lost.
The laws of physics are not like legal man made laws.
You can't get something for nothing.

Originally posted by ELahrairah
It takes energy to split hydrogen from oxygen in a water molecule.
Where does that extra energy come from?

You guys always use the same old argument but you just keep phrasing it differently…. “It’s impossible for more energy to be generated than what was needed to produce it.” Give it up. This is simply not true. There are unlimited examples of this in nature and it’s called leverage. You’ll find it in a simple pair of pliers. An example is when we drill for oil. You need a certain amount of energy to produce one barrel of oil out of the ground. But the energy that can be released from that one barrel of oil can produce several barrels of oil out of the ground otherwise it wouldn’t be feasible to produce oil out of the ground. It’s the same principle. You need a certain amount of energy to produce one volume of hydrogen. But when that one volume of hydrogen is ignited it explodes creating 100 times more energy than what was required to produce it.

reply to post by soleprobe


No It would be great if the 2nd law was revised
Show me the research or the article that demonstrates that it is possible to get more energy out of hydrogen electrolysis then you put in.

reply to post by soleprobe


NO, NO, NO.

Drilling for oil is not a chemical reaction. Separating components of h2o is a chemical reaction.


Two completely separate things

So if you created oil from something, you would never get over 100% yield from it. If you were to convert the oil to another form of energy, you will not get more available energy from it.


It has nothing to do with drilling or mining for stored energy reserves. Oil is stored energy, the original process that made it did so below a 101% efficiency.


Dear god... This thread is a train wreck. And the Japanese were running a hydrogen fuel cell, the car wasn't "running off of water" so to speak. It used chemical components to run, and these were energy stores themselves. Apparently it wasn't feasible, but I heard a good pump and dump cycle happened with their stocks...

reply to post by boncho


Exactly the energy from oil originated from the sun plants absorbed the solar energy and converted it to chemical energy geological processes and the kinetic energy of the earth converted it into the hydrocarbons that are found in petroleum.

Originally posted by ELahrairah
No It would be great if the 2nd law was revised
Show me the research or the article that demonstrates that it is possible to get more energy out of hydrogen electrolysis then you put in.

It's called striking a match.... and then boom.... off goes your head

Originally posted by ELahrairah
Exactly the energy from oil originated from the sun plants

more crap.... plants never existed at 30,000 nor is there any sunshine at that level.

Yes hydrogen is explosive but in order to get the explosive amount of hydrogen from H20 it took an equal amount of electricity to do so.
Electrical energy was simply converted to chemical energy that is stored in the bonds between two hydrogen atoms.

reply to post by soleprobe


No you know what your right.
Science is just a big ruse and you can magically get as much energy out of anything that you want.
You are such a genius why did I not realize this before

Originally posted by ELahrairah
You are such a genius why did I not realize this before

And you're full of crap...

and I realized this before

reply to post by soleprobe

If you are so wise then please explain your knowledge
so the rest of us can benefit from it.

reply to post by Praetorius


So there you go, T. Boone buys water rights because we are running out of clean water to drink and then we build machines that run off of water. Uh, seriously, can't we come up with some transportation technology that doesn't run on something we need to survive?

Solar, I believe, is our best bet. If we continue to find more and more ways to either use or pollute our water supply, we will eventually kill ourselves off and won't need to worry about TPTB doing it for us.

Don't the parts that spin and move need oil to lubricate?
There will still be a need for oil. But this is a great start if true.

Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by ELahrairah
Exactly the energy from oil originated from the sun plants

more crap.... plants never existed at 30,000 nor is there any sunshine at that level.

edit on 28-5-2011 by soleprobe because: (no reason given)

Just the facts

Petroleum was formed from the remains of marine plant and animal life which existed many millions of years ago (hence it is known as a fossil fuel).

www.talktalk.co.uk...

As the trees and plants died, they sank to the bottom of the swamps of oceans. They formed layers of a spongy material called peat. Over many hundreds of years, the peat was covered by sand and clay and other minerals, which turned into a type of rock called sedimentary.

More and more rock piled on top of more rock, and it weighed more and more. It began to press down on the peat. The peat was squeezed and squeezed until the water came out of it and it eventually, over millions of years, it turned into coal, oil or petroleum, and natural gas.

www.energyquest.ca.gov...

Petroleum is a fossil fuel derived from ancient fossilized organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae.[19] Vast quantities of these remains settled to a sea or lake bottoms, mixing with sediments and being buried under anoxic conditions.

en.wikipedia.org...

How Was Oil Formed?
Oil was formed from the remains of animals and plants (diatoms) that lived millions of years ago in a marine (water) environment before the dinosaurs. Over millions of years, the remains of these animals and plants were covered by layers of sand and silt. Heat and pressure from these layers helped the remains turn into what we today call crude oil. The word "petroleum" means "rock oil" or "oil from the earth."

www.eia.gov...

Care to share your sources?

come on guys. we all know that combustion of Hydrogen is only applicable to bombs./end sarcasm

Originally posted by ELahrairah
If you are so wise then please explain your knowledge

Just about everyone here on ATS (except for the very rare neutral observer who has never been exposed to the voluminous amounts of information disclosed on the Internet) has the knowledge with regards to the suppression of hydrogen as a fuel. There is nothing more I can say to add to this knowledge here on ATS and there’s nothing more you can say to cover it up. This thread and many threads like it merely serve to demonstrate the methods used by TPTB to cover-up what has already been exposed.

Carry on….

reply to post by soleprobe

more crap.... plants never existed at 30,000 nor is there any sunshine at that level.

Oil is created by plants everyday.

en.wikipedia.org...

Vegetable fats and oils are lipid materials derived from plants. Physically, oils are liquid at room temperature, and fats are solid. Chemically, both fats and oils are composed of triglycerides, as contrasted with waxes which lack glycerin in their structure. Although many plant parts may yield oil,[1] in commercial practice, oil is extracted primarily from seeds.

This oil is even capable of propelling cars. The common name associated is "biodiesel".

Vegetable oil is an alternative fuel for diesel engines and for heating oil burners. For engines designed to burn diesel fuel, the viscosity of vegetable oil must be lowered to allow for proper atomization of the fuel, otherwise incomplete combustion and carbon build up will ultimately damage the engine.

en.wikipedia.org...


And just as the other poster said about fossil fuels, with this oil the energy originates from the Sun.

In the 1980's, there was a science show on British Television called "Tomorrow's World".

On one episode, they showcased a BMW that ran on hydrogen seperated from a water fueled fuel cell. The car actually got a police escort through London because they were so worried about it getting into an accident.

At the time, they said that we were "3 to 5 years away" from running around in hydrogen powered cars derived from water and would be completely independent of oil.

The technology conveniently disappeared, as will this technology. While the oil companies have all the power, alternative technologies such as these will never see the light of day.