Doomsday promoters should be prosecuted for mass end of time suicides

Originally posted by APOCALYPSEWATCHMAN
In the first place,bible prophecy is not crap.it is real.the prophecies of the bible will come to pass wether you believe it or not.second,everybody want's to prosecute these false prophets,but what about the people who were stupid enough to believe them? no one is commenting on them.that they believed this nonsense is their own falt. lack of discernment.i am an independant minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a bible prophecy teacher.i resent the implication that those of us who are legitimately trying to help people understand the times they are living in,should be prosecuted. we're not all false prophets.you are living in the endtime,and bad things are going to happen before the Lord returns.the prophecies of the bible do not require you to believe in them in order for them to come to pass.they will come to pass.the people who listen to these false prophets and do not read the bible for themselves have no one to blame but themselves

The only thing worse than a preacher who spews out absolute puke from the pulpit week after week,is a congregation who sits in the pews week after week and laps it up.

edit on 21-5-2011 by APOCALYPSEWATCHMAN because: misspelled a couple words

Sorry to burst your buble mate. but the Prophesies are not going to happen at all.. EVER!!

Well maybe someday the Earth will cop it sweet, in a few billion years or so, but not in the imediate future. The bible is little more than a storybook, made up by a bunch of Roman senetors, to use as a tool to control the masses. The Prophesies are just a boogyman created to keep people from doing bad things and nothing more.

How a modern, human being can believe a bunch of words printed in a book that was written 2,000 years ago is totally beyond comprehension...

I honestly thaught this was the 21st century..lol

I honestly thought that people would have moved beyond the worship of Pagan gods and religions and icons like the bible by now..

Were there any deaths associated with today's destruction of the world?

I'm not sure what happened where you were but it was just a ghastly mess here with sweet smelling flowers, blue skies, an evening party under the stars with a small fire to toast treats.

Too bad the world was destroyed today. That's the 9th time in as many years.

Originally posted by marg6043Now should those that are doing the prediction of doomsday publicly be prosecuted if the end of the world fails again like it had in previous predictions?

I say, yes they should be made to pay for the death of Innocent trusting people, including religious figures.

Quite the contrary I say reward them for getting rid of the low hanging fruit. I say Darwin Awards all around for anyone who is so weak of will as to be talked into suicide by a huckster religious whacko!

People who fall to con-men and women like this deserve their lot be it their life saving or their life they lose. We can only hope that they have yet to pass on their genes to offspring....

Of course if you are of the kind who believe in victimhood and everyone being more responsible for your actions and outcomes besides the man in the mirror you might disagree; who am I to judge. Sue away seems to work for a lot of people who don’t want to take responsibility for their own actions today. Maybe I should have been a lawyer… Nah, I have too much self respect.

reply to post by Ironclad


I highly doubt he knew people would kill themselves, I mean, how could he? He's not a mind reader he's an idiot. I don't think he gave it any forethought at all and even if he did it's still the person who commited suicide's choice to do so.

As far as I know he wasn't preaching to people telling them to kill themselves and even then it would take a disturbed or depressed individual, who already exhibited suicidal tendencies, to follow through with it. Like I said before these people are fragile but we cannot tip toe around them, treat them like children, and give up our freedom of speech just because they can't handle life.

Suicide is tragic but Camping is not responsible for those who cannot think for themselves.

reply to post by ScousePhil


An idiot he was not, he reap millions of dollars from the people that trusted him and his prophecy, greed, dishonest, a fraud, deceiver and more, but an idiot? no I don't think so.

reply to post by marg6043


Hahaha fair point, I stand corrected. But then again rainman was pretty smart.

Originally posted by laiguana

Originally posted by kykweer
And while we are at it, let's kill all the ugly people, poor people and everyone with an IQ less than 110

edit on 21-5-2011 by kykweer because: (no reason given)

I don't really see why you would include ugly or poor people. Being ugly or poor does not instantly make you stupid and incapable. If someone is stupid enough to commit suicide based on an unsubstantiated claim then...they're being weeded out for the common good of our specie.

It's nothing to worry about.

edit on 21-5-2011 by laiguana because: (no reason given)

Lol I don't think my sarcasm came out the way I planned.

Secondly its not "ok" to let people die and off them selfs. Leaving someone to die is just as good as killing them.

How do you define "stupid"? Stupid means your basically retarded as in you have a low IQ. I don't think these people are stupid, if anything they are misguided, is that ok for them to kill themselves? No. What about people with psychological issues? Like chemical imbalances in the brain? People who have been abused? People who were molested? People who came back from war "changed"?

These people might look for SOMETHING as in to find a "hollowness", then these people come along to lead them into a ditch?

No

Its not ok to leave people there to die.

What an idiotic, cowardly b**ch. At least the kids are alive but who knows what mental damage will be done because of their psycho mums pathetic weakness.

Originally posted by soaringhawk
Who are you? The thought police? If someone decides to fall into this and as a result unfortunately take their life, the blame is solely on the person. The preacher isn't directing the traffic. This same arguement are what's used in music. People listen to music, it has an affect on them.

But the person is responsible for how they let it affect them and what they do, if they do anything.
I don't agree the rapture will be tomorrow but Mr. Camping has every right to say what he wants on his radio program.

The people that listen have the ability to not to. They can change the station or turn their radio off. You can't police someone just because you don't like what they say. This country is about freedom. The only way for you to have freedom is to allow others to have their freedom.

44 failed & 1 ambiguous end-of-the-world
predictions that were to occur between 30 & 1920 CE

CE? Sorry, I don't follow that. I go with B.C & A.D. Take that common error crap and shove it!

edit on 20-5-2011 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-5-2011 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

i don't think it will be fun if Mr.Camping drives people to do harm to themselves

reply to post by Ironclad

It's one thing to give a more mainstream Christian interpretation of these events, like the guy you replied to (who was perfectly valid), and another thing to use the topic as an excuse to attack mainstream religion. I don't really feel that this is the time or place to start picking bones with mainstream believers.
By all means though, it sounds like you already know everything, so good luck with that.

I honestly thought that people would have moved beyond the worship of Pagan gods and religions and icons like the bible by now..

Welcome to reality, where we may have beliefs that differ from yours
I apologize if we're not all as 'enlightened' as you

I disagree. My thoughts are that such people are mentally instable, anyhow, and the doomsday people are doing us a favor by indirectly culling the herd.

reply to post by marg6043


You should be prosecuted for blind ignorance. If people are not smart enough to decide for themselvese then it becomes natural selection.

If your not smart enough to understand that freedom of speech trumps ignorance then, your more guilty of the crime that you assert in this thread.

reply to post by Helious


Freedom of speech is poorly understood. It does not allow people to say anything you want. You are not allowed to incite trouble or cause trouble. You are not allowed to do many things.

en.wikipedia.org...

According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights. Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or hate speech.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can yell FIRE in a crowded room(US Supreme Court)...however,you have to draw the line but why intefer with Darwin?...He DID know what he was talking about...the weak,either minded or otherwise,will cull themselves out....why interfer?

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Helious

 

Freedom of speech is poorly understood. It does not allow people to say anything you want. You are not allowed to incite trouble or cause trouble. You are not allowed to do many things.

en.wikipedia.org...

According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights. Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or hate speech.

Freedom of speech is poorly understood by communists, dictators and those that would aspire to be such. Incite trouble? Cause trouble? Who exactly is the judge of what that is?

You can not incite panic and that is fair, outside of inciting panic, you should be free to say anything you wish at any time, as long as the message is not vulgar and inciting panic. There is no other time where freedom of speech should be repressed my friend.

Yes, you are not allowed to do many things, you seem to be just fine with this, is it your contention we should all just hush up about our constitutional rights and be better citizens?

I'm pretty sure our forefathers were causing trouble and inciting panic during the founding of our country in the fight of blind tyranny. Domestic terrorists indeed! When the laws and those that enforce it have become not for the people yet against the people there is but one choice and that is of utter and total dissent. Freedom of speech is legal to the citizens of the USA, just not the rogue government.

reply to post by Helious

Freedom of speech is poorly understood by communists, dictators and those that would aspire to be such.

That's a rather short list since the meaning of freedom of speech is poorly understood by almost everyone.

You can not incite panic and that is fair, outside of inciting panic, you should be free to say anything you wish at any time, as long as the message is not vulgar and inciting panic. There is no other time where freedom of speech should be repressed my friend.

What about deceiving people to get their money or other assets?

Yes, you are not allowed to do many things, you seem to be just fine with this, is it your contention we should all just hush up about our constitutional rights and be better citizens?

Every country has its own "constitutional" guarantees. Not everyone is covered by a constitution. For countries that do there are always limitations of what freedoms cover.

Freedom of speech is legal to the citizens of the USA

Hmm. I think you are a little unclear about the 1st amendment.

You need to read this and other places to get a better handle on freedom of speech in the US.
en.wikipedia.org...

There are quite a few restrictions on freedom of speech, indeed. Some are justified, some are quite stupid, IMHO. But I dont see any that could apply in this case.

a reply to: marg6043
there are a couple of ways of looking at this,
firstly you need to prosecute the American government for allowing the Georgia Guidestones to be put up as well as the rosicrucians who sponsored it.

for the last 1000 years people (Normally religions) have said the end times is coming, so you now need to prosecute the seventh day Adventists, jehovahs witnesses and other religions based on Millerism with this as well as one of the most evil businesses on this planet the catholic church who work for the ruling classes who run this planet.

and also if people want to kill themselves then this is the planets way of ridding the real dumb ones amongst us.