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Do You Really Want Constitutional Government?
Most people agree with my colleague. The average Tea Partier, for instance, will rail against unconstitutional ObamaCare, but what will happen if you mention that Social Security is also unconstitutional? You will likely hear, as I have, “Hey, I paid for it, and I have that money coming to me!”
This is a very human reaction — but it’s not a constitutionalist one. Adherence to any set of rules means that you will sometimes be inconvenienced by them. Yet the average conservative’s position is this: I believe in sticking to the Constitution.*
*[size=0]Some exceptions may apply.
These would be when the Constitution is found inconvenient, when it prohibits a benefit to which we’ve become accustomed or a program we want instituted. But do you realize that this is identical to the statist position? Sure, the Left advocates more violations of the Constitution, but this hardly matters. Once you accept the precedent of constitutional trespass, you set the stage for the wholesale violation of the document and cannot with credibility argue against such. You are then reduced simply to saying that you don’t think the constitutional violation in question is a good idea.
This brings us to a phenomenon I call Good Ideaism, something that is now a more powerful driving force in American politics than our Constitution itself. One of its corollaries is the assumption that something’s status as a supposedly good idea for everyone is reason enough for everyone’s government, the central one, to advance it. Such an assumption is also a very human reaction, but it is, again, not a constitutionalist one.
And what if something really is a good, or at least provisionally necessary, idea? Well, constitutional adherence needn’t mean casting the elderly out onto the streets or your favorite legislation into history’s dustbin. As examples, a simple, constitutionally compatible way to retain Social Security — on which many are now dependent — would be to devolve it to the states (at least as a transitional phase); and, if you really believe the ADA is a good idea, it can be adopted by the states as well. As a last resort, if having the feds assume a new responsibility is truly a good idea, we have recourse to the Amendment Process. But what is always a bad idea is doing violence to the Constitution. When this becomes accepted, you then have a nation in which people believe that the only thing necessary for the passage of law is that a majority in Congress vote for it and a majority in a de facto oligarchy, the Supreme Court, allow it to stand. And, well, welcome to the United Statists of America.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
Do you really think the country could survive if the government was forced to stay within its Constitutional limits?
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by FortAnthem
i agree with that and disagree with that somewhat
the greatest power should always remain with the individual.
any power given over you is never a good idea because that power is taken away from the individual.
Originally posted by maria_stardust
It seems that it's the social programs that most people have a problem with. The thing is these programs exist for a reason -- to help the citizens of this nation who may otherwise fall through the cracks -- usually the poor who need these programs to survive. There is nothing wrong with this nation supporting its' citizens on humanitarian grounds because it is the morally right thing to do.
Originally posted by maria_stardust
reply to post by FortAnthem
On the contrary, this nation is beholden to its' citizens -- all its' citizens. It has a responsibility to care -- to a certain degree -- for the well being of those who may not be able to care for themselves. As it currently stands, there are far too many people in this country who are homeless, hungry and without the means of proper health care. Voluntary charity only goes so far -- it is not a panacea for all the ills of society.
Taxes are paid to cover a great many things. The very least our government can do is to extend aid to those that need it most.
...to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Originally posted by FortAnthem
Me personally, I'd love to see the government constrained to its Constitutional roots. Nothing would do more to bring under control the massive deficit spending than to shut down all programs that exist outside Constitutional authority.
The main problem with this idea is that it would be a huge injustice to all those who paid money into the Social Security system and it would place incredibly great hardships on those who are currently dependent on government programs for their survival.
Originally posted by Nosred
I'm probably one of the few people on this forum who wouldn't mind scrapping the constitution. I believe that a modified form of the Articles of Confederation be a much better document to run our country by.