The Evil Banker anti-capitalist nonsense thread

So for all of you anti-capitalists out there, many of you have never even been to America, some of you live here. Heres a challenge for you. Show me one evil banker that was not a communist or socialist, or did not contribute to the left wing socialist democratic movement and I will give you props.

Rockefeller's historically have belonged to the socialist party. Likewise, Rothschild helped fund the communist manifesto.

Show me one evil of capitalism that isn't rooted in socialism and communism and I will give you major props.

The fact is, you are all being lied to and have joined into the parade of ignorance, rebelling against the only possibility of freedom and bighting the hand that feeds. Free Market Capitalism is the only way.

There ARE EVIL BANKERS, and they do control all of the corporations, but that is not capitalism, its becoming corportism. I hate people who eqaute the EVIL BANKERS with capitalism. I watched micheal moores movie, capitalism a love story, and i agree with every single point, however, he calls it capitalism, when what he is describing is corportism.

reply to post by ReVoLuTiOn76


Not to mention that Michael Moore is a Socialist through and through. But I like the way you think.

When you have control of all the major institutions of society, you can call black, white - freedom, slavery and all the people will just follow right along - specially if you give them a piece of paper that certifies that they are now 'educated'

................In spite of strong opposition from within Congress, the Select Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations and Comparable Organizations was formed in April 1952 and turned over to Congressman Carrol Reece of Tennessee. It was this committee that Norman Dodd served as the chief investigator, and it is in that capacity that we now see him at the New York offices of the Ford Foundation.

We are now in the year 1954, and we hear Mr. Gaither say to Mr. Dodd, “Would you be interested in knowing what we do here at the Ford Foundation?” And Mr. Dodd says, “Yes! That’s exactly why I’m here. I would be very interested, sir.” Then, without any prodding at all, Gaither says, “Mr. Dodd, we operate in response to directives, the substance of which is that we shall use our grant making power to alter life in the United States so that it can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.”

Dodd almost falls off of his chair when he hears that. Then he says to Gaither, “Well, sir, you can do anything you please with your grant making powers, but don’t you think you have an obligation to make a disclosure to the American people? You enjoy tax exemption, which means you are indirectly subsidized by taxpayers, so, why don’t you tell the Congress and the American people what you just told me?” And Gaither replies, “We would never dream of doing such a thing.”

www.freedomforceinternational.org...

It might be beneficial for everyone to expand their knowledge base. Another movie well worth the time is "Inside Job”, which clearly proves how Wall Street and the BANKSTERS caused the market crash of 2008. Let's see, from our BANKSTERS, we have, predatory lending, Robo signing, and from Wall Street we have toxic financial ‘instruments’, and of course this is to name but a few. These activities are greed based, short sighted decisions that were intentionally created with no regard of their negative impact. I am not certain of what you might consider evil, but the finical rape of the American people qualifies in my book. How many of the key figures of the financial establishment do you think will be held responsible for this? There may be a few patsies hung out to dry, but the ones in charge just get richer. If this is capitalism, it has been completely overcome by greed and is no longer bound by any viable rules or regulations.

Ya know, I don't' care what ya call em. Capitalist, communist, socialist, they are all the Political class. Parasites sucking the very marrow from our bones. They are bureaucrats. They are evil parasites

reply to post by thehoneycomb


I may be wrong but it does sound an awful lot like corporatism. Communism or socialism or capitalism...they have become warped and twisted into the greedy teeth and claws of large, international/multinational corporations used/owned/manipulated by the "Evil Banksters." There are no longer any reasons to continue with such old nomenclature when discussing economics unless you use terms like "illusion, sleight of hand, smoke and mirrors, etc." The robber barons of old created horrifically brilliant monsters of their businesses and monopolies. My only concern is that these creatures/corporations feed on only one thing: people, ordinary people regardless of country, creed, or bank account. Its time to put some fat cats on a serious diet before they eat us out of house and home. Your Rothschilds and Rockefellers were smart enough to know that by dividing the economic system in to many factions and turning them on each other that control could be obtained easily, even made to look heroic.

Money is a life sentence and debt is the prison in which all people serve their time.

Just some food for thought. No brain should ever go hungry.
Bishop N

This is my first post so have at me. Fresh meat here.

where's the free market?? and I bet ya if we did have one the republicans would hate it just as much as the dems.....

free market.....gee, no special tax breaks for this industry or that industry simply because the party in power just wants to support that industry..... no welfare for the poor, no welfare for the rich, no welfare for the businesses....
no aide for college, no aid for business start ups, no more tax money for "job creation"!!
and, well, no more wars simply for the sake of protecting corporate assetts in other countries and enriching corps here in america!!!

socialists, capitalists, facists, conservatives, liberals, what we have is none of them, but rather a mutation of all of
them, the only common denominator that I can see is that whatever they do, seems in the end, it takes from the common folks and serves mainly to benefit the rich one way or another.

As I look on Open Secrets, it actually seems that the securities and investment sector is hedging their bets (go figure) and have contributed to both parties. However, it does seem that they are bigger supporters of the republican party.

www.opensecrets.org...

In San Francisco, in the late 60's there was an old hotel. It was called the International Hotel and for decades had provided housing for poor and elderly people. Many had lived there for decades. It first came to my attention when a woman who was in her 80's was to be evicted after having lived there for forty years maybe.

This was at the beginnings of urban renewal. A man purchased the hotel and wanted to convert the rental rooms to condominiums. The new condos would cost way more than the elderly could afford to pay to buy. So he began to evict them. Old people and poor people were evicted from their homes of decades.

When asked about the morality of his actions his answer was unequivocal. He said, this is capitalism and it has nothing to do with morality. (paraphrase)

Here is an article on this time


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Thanks to all for posting, I wasn't expecting such interesting posts. But I get the sense most believe the lines have been blurred and I agree. Capitalism today is more distorted than ever and the system we have in place, which used to be free market capitalism is now more like communism/socialism. Most of us do not remember a system where there was true free market capitalism. Not to say that it doesn't exist, cause it does just not in the mainstream and definitely not in politics. If you do remember a true free market you are probably at least 80 or 90 and probably not posting on the internet forums.

Well in America, It started back at the turn of the century, socialism was in part a feminist movement and still is today. But the real damage was done in America when the Federal Reserve was created. That was in the 1930's so here we are today, do any of us really have any clue how a free market would look?

What is funny about the whole thing is that there are many different socialist groups, many of them are hate groups, for example we have the feminists, then we have the nazi party or white power national socialists, the black panthers etc. Well you get my drift, they are all rooted in wishy washy politics but they all strive for the same thing. Not to say that all socialists are hate groups, but where is the line drawn and why are all these groups all working towards the same cause.

The beautiful thing about America, the belief it was founded on was that anybody and everybody could be free and that was only the beginning, the foundation. We are supposed to be born free with inalienable rights, I wish I could say that was the case today.The only way to eliminate poverty is through a capitalist system.

Don't hate a person because they have more money than you. Don't hate somebody because they have more stuff than you, or for whatever reason. It is the natural order of things. Don't hate your parents because they have more talents than you or for whatever reason I am just using this as an example, it is just a natural order and your parents are here to instruct you, they have every interest in making their children just as strong or stronger to provide a better life for their children. Well in most cases anyways, there are still alot of crazy people in the world and crazy parents, needless to say they are going against the natural order if they would violate their children's inalienable rights in any way.

reply to post by no thing


I will have to disagree with you on part, only because you mention predatory lending tactics etc, yet you leave the mind to wonder. Yes there are many different tactics used by both sides but where is the proof in the pudding?

What about the stimulus, or how about Andy Stern the socialist head of SEIU openly calling for the destruction of America by encouraging it's left wing democratic socialist union members to default on their mortgages and student loans??

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Modern capitalism is an extension of slavery. Instead of whips to the back and chains around the ankles ( which does still happen because of the way the current capitalist system works) they rely on repossesion of your home and taking everything you have as a means of control. Remember free trade doesn't mean capitalism. When people criticise capitalism they criticise big business, corporate monopolies and the general value of profit over people within the current capitalist system.

I don't disagree that the modern version of what "most people think of capitalism" or our "System today" is slaver.

It most definitely is slavery in all shapes in forms, but it is not capitalism.

just because I think I should be getting at least the same wage as the guys in my shop (some of which are still asking me stupid questions and printing the easiest of things!! and don't believe my husband should have all the absolute power in our marriage doesn't mean that I am part of a hate group! it just means that I would like to see some equality, justice, and fairness in the world! heck abigail adams had some pretty strong feminist ideas, and well, don't believe there were many communists around then....
and well, if the spirit that sprouted the feminist movement was communistic, then I would venture to say the spirit the disempowered the kings and priests was also communistic!!! as well as the spirit that gave birth to the US and other colonies of europe! not to mention, the ending of slavery, the movement for decent working conditions and wages, ect!!!

ya, the world was such a better place when the kings and priests had absolute authority in all matters both on earth and heaven, and when all but the ruling elite and nobility were nothing but serfs and slaves!!!
we're all just communists for wanting freedom, the right to chose our own destiny, and remove our rulers when they get this far out of line, weather that ruler is the king, president, boss, or husband!!!
if feminism is equated with communism, then why in heavens name do guys import wives from the former communist countries?? I always thought it was because those women were more "traditional" and well, less of a headache for a guy to have!!!

reply to post by dawnstar


Usually because it creates a better, more opportunistic for any woman in any communist country to come over into the United States where they have just as much chance to succeed as men do.

As for the wage thing, unless you are a union member, you negotiate your wage at the time of being interviewed and hired. If you are not happy with the wage you are offered you can walk. It's pretty simple. You could of course join the unions if you think that it is really that unfair, but in my opinion unions are unfair to the rest of the working class so it's not really fair to everybody as it suggests, not to mention that employers should have the right to hire and fire people as they deem unnecessary at whatever wage they negotiate. The unions are of course just another plank of socialism.

Right now women in America probably have more rights then men if you asked me. Take a look at the way the court system is biased towards women when it comes to divorce and unwed couples with child custody. The feminist aspect in this realm encourages women to be dependent on the state and destroys families.

The gay marriage thing is another plank of the socialist party. Gay Rights activists seek to have the same rights as married couples. The only problem is that the marriage issue and laws are their to protect families and children, where if gay couples had the same benefits it would in fact work against those who have children the good old fashioned way.

Socialism is a game of playing victim.Thats all it is, everyone is a victim and becomes dependent on the state, it is a welfare state and control. Which goes to my original point of women who come to America, they are from communist countries seeking more opportunity. So basically in the end Socialism/communism is all about control, not being fair.

Thanks for posting though I am glad to discuss this matter further if you wish.

I wasn't asking why the women were wanting to come here, I was asking why some of the men were looking outside the US, many to the former soviet block countries, for their future wives....

as far as negotiating wages with my employers, well, ya know what, as far as I am concerned if the see me doing a good job for them and all that, they should see my value above someone who knows jack about the industry and just walks into the door.......
and when you learn that the new guy who has been hired, doing the job who you've been filling in till they find someone, who is perfectly able to do it, but well, is also perfectly able to do just about every other job in the shop, and you find that he is making a few bucks more an hour, and then find out that hey, most of the guys are, well.....
the answer, at least to me is really quite clear...



ya know, the court system may seem bias to ya toward women, but, well, let's see, for most of my life, it was kind of the norm for mom to stay home with the kids.....dad worked, mom may have worked to, but well, that was just to supplement dad's paycheck. that was just the way it was....and even today, ya women are making headway in knocking down the wage gap, till they have children...then, well they aren't as valuable to employers...well, I am sorry, but as long as society castes mom in the role of the primary caregiver, well, her earning potential is gonna be hampered, and the courts will be a little more proned to give her the custody of the children. although I have seen articles where some states are considering joint custody as being more preferable....which it is in my opinion...
and no, it wasn't the feminists that caste women into the state of being dependant on the gov't. it was society's reluctance to allow her to be INDEPENDANT!!
and, I just looked up the defination of socialism...

en.wikipedia.org...
I see the words...public ownership, and cooperative, common,
didn't see the word "victim" in there...

reply to post by thehoneycomb

Have you watched "Inside Job"? If not, please have a look and you will have your proof in the pudding. This movie simply highlighted what many (who follow the financial scene) knew was going on. Predatory lending is the main reason for the collapse. They (the banks) knew full well that the loans would fail when they were issued, but they made 'short term' gains at the expense of long term outcomes. These bad loans were wrapped up with other financial instruments, given a AAA credit rating and sold to the WORLD by Wall Street.

How do you expect someone with an annual income of, let’s say, $30K to qualify for a $450,000 house? Although they may try and claim ignorance and that they were working within the rules, the banks knew full well what they were doing. In fact, they worked very hard and purchased a lot of political clout in order to change the rules that prevented this type of behavior in the first place. The banks and Wall Street are complicit in the whole mess. To add insult to injury, Wall Street, knowing that these failures would occur, then started making money on the failures caused by the toxic debt they had created. So basically, everyone except the Bankster/WallStreet Elite were screwed coming and going.

What do you believe caused the crash of 2008?

if you think about it the "poor abused bankers"are getting paid their money back three times for these mortgages....
they sold the securities, and got paid.....although, because of the existance of fraud and negigence on the banks and wall street part, well, they are being forced to buy them back!!!
they got bailed out.......toxic assetts were bought off them, compliments of future US taxpayers....
and then, well, alot of these houses WILL NOT go into default, the the buyers will make good on their obligations, they will not only pay all the money they borrowed back, but also a heck of alot of interest...
black balled appraisers, robo signers, mers, the people rating these securites sending emails expressing their hopes that they can make their millions before the house of cards come down, and saying that they know that the AAA stuff is just crap. oh, ya, and let's not overlook the fact that it's been testified in court....
they shredded the flipping notes!!! the one thing that is needed to prove that there's something to back up these securities!! for some reason, I think there is far more to blame that a few laws that were made to prevent discrimination and open up home ownership to more people.

Capitalism today is more distorted than ever and the system we have in place, which used to be free market capitalism is now more like communism/socialism.

We agree that capitalism is distorted but to say that capitalism today is more like communism/socialism can only be based on a distorted definition of c/s.

Most of us do not remember a system where there was true free market capitalism. If you do remember a true free market you are probably at least 80 or 90.

My mother is 90 and when she was 8 this free market you tout brought on the Great Depression. Whaaa?

Well in America, It started back at the turn of the century, socialism was in part a feminist movement and still is today.

Who teaches you this stuff? Do you just make it up as you go along.

But the real damage was done in America when the Federal Reserve was created. That was in the 1930's so here we are today, do any of us really have any clue how a free market would look?

Stop. Just stop. We understand about the Fed. But they floated the currency to pay for the revolution and all throughout our history.

Oh geese, you've go more.

What is funny about the whole thing is that there are many different socialist groups, many of them are hate groups, for example we have the feminists, then we have the nazi party or white power national socialists, the black panthers etc. Well you get my drift, they are all rooted in wishy washy politics but they all strive for the same thing. Not to say that all socialists are hate groups, but where is the line drawn and why are all these groups all working towards the same cause.

I don't know where to begin let alone end. How about this? You equate women struggling for equal rights with Nazi? That should be enough to end this here and now, but wait you still have more.

The beautiful thing about America, the belief it was founded on was that anybody and everybody could be free and that was only the beginning, the foundation.

I believed this once, then I went into 4th grade where I began to study American history. What can I say, it's true.

We are supposed to be born free with inalienable rights, I wish I could say that was the case today.The only way to eliminate poverty is through a capitalist system.

Tell this to all the people whose lives have been pushed out of the way to make room for the capitalist version of reality. Maybe start with a history of sugar plantations.

Don't hate a person because they have more money than you. Don't hate somebody because they have more stuff than you, or for whatever reason. It is the natural order of things. Don't hate your parents because they have more talents than you or for whatever reason I am just using this as an example, it is just a natural order and your parents are here to instruct you, they have every interest in making their children just as strong or stronger to provide a better life for their children. Well in most cases anyways, there are still alot of crazy people in the world and crazy parents, needless to say they are going against the natural order if they would violate their children's inalienable rights in any way.

Sorry, but you lost me here. I dunno, kinda sounds like some familial issues here.

However we are in complete agreement on not hating.