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Originally posted by ICEKOHLD
reply to post by The Asgard
pole shift is real. airports im florida (and i believe a few other states) have had to shut down runways in order to renumber them so that pilots knew which runway to land on because they had their runways labeled by degrees and now they are off and the pilots were getting confused. so yeah...pole shift is occurring. i'm not here to make believer. i'm here to challenge non-believers to do like 5 minutes of googling and you'll see that it has already started to effect things.
so go ahead and deny it. i don't really care. you're just one less person i'll have to worry about defending myself from after the poles shift.
it depends on what pole you mean! the spin axis (non magnetic) pole is roughly where it should be, as far as we know. but the magnetic pole is moving steadily southwards,
so if it flips that means the magnetosphere will most probably switch off for a while till it re aligns with its new poles, were looing at solar wind hitting earth with nowt to protect us little bods here on the planet!
the hot weather is possibley due to the sun heading for its solar max in 2012, basically were expecting the sun to pump out some serious solar flairs in the next year or so! so power failures, satelite disruption and factor 5 million sun block might be all be due in the years to come
one less person i'll have to worry about defending myself from after the poles shift.
pole position- yep if your on the u.s or canadian pacific coast, it is travelling north with a slight degree to the west. but if your at the north axial pole then its heading south isnt it.
without the magnetosphere there will be no atmosphere, lmao! come on puter man, if your gonna flame me at least give me something worth reading!!! i would love for you to tell me what rays from the sun that our atmophere blocks out please!!!
On a planetary scale, the magnetic field helps shield the earth from solar winds and storms of deadly particles. Its so-called magnetosphere extends out 37,000 miles from the earth's sunlit side and much farther behind the planet, forming a cometlike tail. Among other things, the field's collapse, scientists say, could let in bursts of radiation, causing a variety of disruptions. . Charles Jackman, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, has worked with European colleagues on a computer model that mimics the repercussions. A weak field, they reported in December, could let solar storms pummel the atmosphere with enough radiation to destroy significant amounts of the ozone that protects the earth from harmful ultraviolet light.
Ultraviolet radiation, the short, invisible rays from the sun, can harm some life forms, depress crop yields and raise cancer rates, causing skin cancer and cataracts in humans. Jackman said that the ozone damage from any one solar storm could heal naturally in two to three years but that the protective layer would stay vulnerable to new bursts of radiation as long as the earth's magnetic field remained weak.
Our atmosphere is held close by Earth's gravity. Loss of the magnetic field would not affect gravity and not affect the atmosphere.
While the field weakens and rebuilds in a reversal, Earth's surface is exposed to more cosmic rays and high energy particles from the Sun and space. But to my knowledge, there are no extinctions or other notable events in the fossil record linked to geomagnetic reversals so the lasting effects seem to be minor.
The atmosphere protects and sustains life on Earth in a variety of ways. It provides oxygen for respiration, carbon dioxide for photosynthesis, nitrogen for nitrogen fixation, and water vapor for precipitation that nourishes the land. Carbon dioxide and water vapor reduce temperature extremes between day and night, keeping the planet warm enough for living organisms. The ozone layer absorbs ultraviolet solar radiation that could damage living tissue, and higher layers protect the Earth from bombardment by meteorites and charged particles in the solar wind.
Ozone and oxygen molecules in the stratosphere absorb ultraviolet light from the Sun, providing a shield that prevents this radiation from passing to the Earth's surface. While both oxygen and ozone together absorb 95 to 99.9% of the Sun's ultraviolet radiation, only ozone effectively absorbs the most energetic ultraviolet light, known as UV-C and UV-B. This ultraviolet light can cause biological damage like skin cancer, tissue damage to eyes and plant tissue damage. The protective role of the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere is so vital that scientists believe life on land probably would not have evolved - and could not exist today - without it.
As electromagnetic radiation travels through the atmosphere, shorter wavelengths are absorbed by the molecules in the first few miles. This high frequency radiation is capable of stripping the electrons from the molecules and dissociating the O2 and N2 molecules into O and N atoms, and ions or charged units such as O2+, N2+ (O2 and N2 molecules with one electron missing), etc. Thus the upper layers of the atmosphere are also called the ionosphere because they contain ions (or charged atoms and molecules). Only radiation of wavelength 220 nm or longer penetrates deeper into the atmosphere, reaching the stratosphere.
A stream of charged particles from the sun and the galaxy in general also falls on the upper layers of the atmosphere. Because they are charged, they are affected by the Earth's magnetic field--and depending upon their charge (+ or -) spiral toward the North or South pole. These concentrated streams of particles (often referred to as "cosmic rays") falling on the poles are visible as the Northern and Southern Lights (Auroral Lights).
Today, one of the most discussed and serious environmental issues is the ozone layer depletion, the layer of gas that forms a protective covering in the Earth's upper atmosphere. Ozone is formed when oxygen molecules absorb ultraviolet photons and undergo a chemical reaction known as photo dissociation or photolysis, where a single molecule of oxygen breaks down to two oxygen atoms. The free oxygen atom (O), then combines with an oxygen molecule (O2) and forms a molecule of ozone (O3). The ozone molecules, in turn absorb ultraviolet rays between 310 to 200 nm wavelength and thereby prevent these harmful radiations from entering the Earth's atmosphere. In the process, ozone molecules split up into a molecule of oxygen and an oxygen atom. The oxygen atom (O) again combines with the oxygen molecule (O2) to regenerate an ozone (O3) molecule. Thus, the total amount of ozone is maintained by this continuous process of destruction and regeneration.
without the magnetosphere there will be no atmosphere
Originally posted by The Asgard
reply to post by sema sema
You put far too much trust to people on YouTube. I on the other hand place my trust in observation and scientific measurement. I use a navigational compass for my experiment which I trust far more than your rantings.
and as for the pole shift you completly contredicted yourself just! first you say its not moving south then you say it is! the fact is its moving toward russia and theres nowt you can say to change that!
p.s oh the solar max! you stated we was not heading for a solar max when in fact its due now...the 11 year solar cycle is something you should read up on
run the vid above till you get too the 23rd and 24th, unless that vid is fake then thats some serious solar activity, the likes that we int seen before!
and use a (primative) compass doesnt make you anything of a scientist! your funny with all your info based on scientific fact i havent seen you state anything apart from "blah blah my compass" lmao
Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by sema sema
The statement in the article(s) you linked to is "The solar wind has slowly eroded the Martian atmosphere for billions of years -- transforming the planet into a barren desert."
A pole shift is not billions of years. In addition to that there are other factors at play here. It may have escaped your attention that Mars is a bit smaller than Earth. Read it's stats here
It's radius may be about half that of Earth but it's it's gravity is only 0.376 of that of Earth. That fact alone means that it was not as capable as Earth of hanging on to what atmosphere it had.
and as for the pole shift you completly contredicted yourself just! first you say its not moving south then you say it is! the fact is its moving toward russia and theres nowt you can say to change that!
Oh dear. Perhaps you had better read it again. It is a matter of where you observe the movement. I said that the magnetic pole is moving North West. You said originally that it was moving South in relation to the axial pole or True North. In relation to the axial pole it is moving North West. In relation to the Magnetic pole it is moving South because it IS the magnetic pole and cannot move North magnetically. In other words, if you are standing at the MAGNETIC pole everything is magnetic South from that point. It is a matter of understanding the concepts of Magnetic North and True North. If you are in to map reading you also have to deal with Grid North.
Ok, with regard to it moving towards Russia, yes it is but that is not South yet as far as I am aware. Have a read of 9url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Magnetic_Pole]Wikipedia about the North Magnetic Pole[/url].
Look at the image below. I have marked the Magnetic and True North poles and the direction of travel. These are all approximate. Until the magnetic North crosses the pink line, which is the 0/180 Prime Meridian, it will still be going North West. When it crosses that line it will be travelling South West. Both of these are relative to the True North pole.
p.s oh the solar max! you stated we was not heading for a solar max when in fact its due now...the 11 year solar cycle is something you should read up on
If you read my post I said no such thing. You originally postulated that the Solar Max would be very strong. I pointed out that this has been revised by NASA several time now and it will be the weakest for 200 years. It has also been put back to July 2013. At no time did I state that we were not heading towards a solar maximum. I also directed you to this link which is Solar Watch, and is one of my blogs. That link takes you to the revisions by NASA. I would suggest that because I provide links for solar matters on a blog called Solar Watch it just might be that I know a little about the Sun and it's cycles and may just be familiar with the approximate 11 year cycle of which you speak.
See this fellow David Thackeray? Have a read about him. He was my 'Uncle'. Now admittedly I did not get to see too much of him personally, but his sister (my Aunt - actually they were cousins) was a frequent visitor at our house and gave me early introduction to space and astronomy. Her brother being formerly Assistant Director of the Solar Physics Observatory at Cambridge Observatory needless to say she was well up on solar matters as well.
I shall address your later links in a separate post.
cool quite a little debate! but come on now stating this is my uncle is a little childish isnt it, in no way does one persons knowledge reflect on your own!
i admit i thought the magnetic pole had passed that point now but clearly i didnt look and i admit that! but my original statement was that the magnetic pole is heading towards russia!
the situation about the atmophere is very debateable once the magnetosphere has shut down if infact it will totally shut down, there are a few ideas on what might happen, i tend to favour faster erosion and extreme tempriture variation.....
also dont by any means take these conversations personal, there a discusion and a bit of fun if you ask me, so flame me some more big boy aha
Perhaps you would care to let us be party to your determination of this scenario?
Originally posted by solargeddon
I too live in the UK, and I have never known April to be like this, what ever happend to the April showers ?
I did actually try to start a thread the other day about the weather (climate) and solar variation, but I don't think anyone saw it, or it was that bad lol.
Cheeky, but here is a link to it, if anyone wishes to read, and share their views
Solar Variation, and Barmy Weather any correlation ?
And for what its worth, pole shift will occurr, when is another question
yeah, guys in the UK, what happened to spring? This isnt normal april weather, lol. Wheres the rain?, it was a bank holiday today, rain's compulsory isnt it? Nice change though i had a barbecue on the beach, sans laptop, sans ATS. Gave the grey matter a holiday.