Jewish settlers attack emergency workers

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

Do not try and de-rail this thread on a single comment I stated. You have strayed off-topic.
This is not a thread discussing if the IDF should offer protection to Israeli settlers.
My point in saying what I did in regards to the settlers and the IDF is that if settlers are willing to provoke palestinians by attacking emergency workers then the settlers that did so do not deserve the protection that the IDF offers.
However this is not what the thread is about. Do not attempt to de-rail the thread from the main contention.

Ok. What is this thread about then?
BadevilIsraellookwhatfewpeopletheredid? Because all that happened ( while certainly serious and deserving an investigation) is that bunch of people who happen to be Israeli settlers and Jews attacked an ambulance.
IDF did not help those Israeli settlers. IDF did not protect THOSE settlers from Palestinian authority police.
Sadly, ambulances are being attacked ,and by both sides. I can bring you links dozens of links, Israeli ambulances cannot go into some Arab neighbourhoods in Jerusalem to treat people there without police escort because some idiots throw stones at them - and those are certainly not settlers , but i fear that you will cry out "derail" again since it kind of messes with "BadevilIsrael..." thingy.

Israel's intentions are abundantly clear in this one image:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/603981a2fc1c.jpg[/atsimg]

Now where do you suppose Palestine will be in another 10 years?

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


You do know that between 1948-1967 (actually it's 1949...) what is colored green was held by Jordan and Egypt... no one was preventing the "Palestinians" from having their country then... oh... wait... the Egyptians and Jordanians did! silly me... I thought it was the Israelis...

Do you known when the PLO was founded? 1964... when there was no such thing as "occupation"...

Come on guys, there's a well known, well documented history - just adhere to facts.

I would just like to remind everyone on ATS that the majority of the people in both Palestine and the State of Israel will condemn the actions of these settlers as unnescessary, discriminatory and as the polar opposite of how any true god fearing people should be acting. No one in their right mind would support attacks on medical personnel.

Since that little rant is over, I don't get why the IDF doesn't remove settlers who behave like this (as a disclaimer I don't support the setlling of Palestinian land outside of Israel's borders) but as long as the settlers are there to stay you'd think the IDF would at least enforce a strict code of conduct upon them so that they don't go provoking clashes, or even worse wars in such a volatile region.

Reply to post by ender_shadow

Blinded by hatred. That is why no one cares about the facts.




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reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


I agree with you that some of the posters I've seen so far spew hate and other crap... but I must believe that some posters who have a negative opinion are just misinformed... and that by showing facts that are objective, misinformed people can be informed and make their own decisions...

Like I wrote to someone who asked a question not long ago, do your own research, reach your own conclusions, but be prepared to defend them with objective facts and conduct a civilized discussion... otherwise, you cannot be taken seriously.

I find it funny that you guys claim it's blind hatred when someone posts a thread showing Jewish settlers commiting crimes, but when it's Palestinians then.... Well it ok... Becuase they're muslims and we all know all muslims are terrorists.

Can someone highlight the "blind hatred" in this thread which you talk bout?

reply to post by ender_shadow

I agree with you that some of the posters I've seen so far spew hate and other crap... but I must believe that some posters who have a negative opinion are just misinformed... and that by showing facts that are objective, misinformed people can be informed and make their own decisions...

Yes, much like yourself..

NO ONE can research the USS Liberty incident including watching actual footage of the ships damage and interviews with the surviving crew and come away believing anything but it was a DELIBERATE attack on an allied ship..
And yes, it was a joint Israeli/US false flag...
But then many in the US hold dual citizenship so it's hard to tell..

reply to post by backinblack


Please show me one hateful comment I've made. If I have made such a comment it was unintentional. If you are referring to me being misinformed, please point out where I am misinformed.

As for the USS Liberty, I have no information about it, and therefore cannot comment about it being an Israeli/US "false flag" or whatever... so I respect your opinion, but I can't comment on it much, sorry

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Actually, if you look at my above post you'll see that I condemn whatever they did (assuming they did so, since I do need a supporting independent source, but failed to find it).

You should know that the majority of Israelis consider the extremem settlers (which I assume are the ones responsible) as crazy people and they are pretty much vilified in the Israeli media...

Now, I've followed some threads and saw what people say to each other (on both sides) and there is plain hate there... I have not seen you lower yourself to that level, so that was obviously not directed at you or any of the other civilized posters here... but there are those that prefer hate over debate... that was the point I was trying to make at least.

Originally posted by ender_shadow
reply to post by backinblack

 

Please show me one hateful comment I've made. If I have made such a comment it was unintentional. If you are referring to me being misinformed, please point out where I am misinformed.

As for the USS Liberty, I have no information about it, and therefore cannot comment about it being an Israeli/US "false flag" or whatever... so I respect your opinion, but I can't comment on it much, sorry

Actually I should have left the first line of the quote out..
I apologize for that..

But how can you defend Israel yet admit you haven't looked into events such as the USS Liberty incident?
That's what my post was referring to..
You may also be one of the misinformed you talk about..

reply to post by backinblack


Thank you

Like I wrote in another post, I read about that in wikipedia, and I basically know the facts that are brought there, I wasn't there personally, so, without that I can't honestly say what happened... that was my point. I am not contesting the fact that Israel sunk that ship in 1967. I do know that Israel paid restitutions to all the families of those killed or injured and that the issue was closed between countries (at least that's what wikipedia says).

If you have other sources, I'd be happy to see them and learn, I'm a bit of a history buff

Now, I'm not sure if you've ever been in combat, or in a full scale war. I have not been there as well (unless you count a fridge being dropped on me or being shot at as combat), but I do know it's confusing as hell, and mistakes are easy to make.. in "Cast Lead" in 2009, most Israeli casualties were from friendly fire incidents... and not from the actual fighting... in each war Israel was involved on I know of several of these incidents, and this happens in today's age with cutting edge technologies... I don't even want to think what they had back then.

If I a misinformed, please educate me - I am keeping an open mind...

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by SpeachM1litant

 

Reliable sources. R-e-l-i-a-b-l-e !
You do know the meaning of that I hope.
“Electronic intifada”. Can it get any more hilarious on your part?
I do not condone any act of violence be it Israelis or any other.
I do hate it when people are clearly digging for stories in order
to put Jews in a bad light, be it a month old events or years old.
Then the recycle process begins, despite the fact it was either
discussed in the past, or no reliable sources brought.

This thread is all about propaganda and spewing hate.

You sure you're not getting this mixed up with one of your own 'threads'
This thread is all about the hate settler scumbags have shown towards aid workers. that is all.

reply to post by ender_shadow


Start here...
There is really little doubt it was no accident or that both Israel and the US were involved..

reply to post by ender_shadow


That is understandlable, I though the comment was directed at me. My apologies. However you are entirely right, there are certain individuals on both sides who would rather hate than debate.

reply to post by backinblack


Interesting movie, I guess I'd have to read more about this before I can formulate an opinion...

Let's agree for argument's sake that you are correct - what is the motivation? what does the US or Israel gain from this?! (although this is off-topic at best...)

reply to post by ender_shadow

Let's agree for argument's sake that you are correct - what is the motivation? what does the US or Israel gain from this?! (although this is off-topic at best...)

Simple, the blame was to be firmly placed on Egypt bring the US into the war to help Israel..

reply to post by backinblack


Israel didn't really need the help, I mean, by that stage of the war, Egypt was on its knees, as was Syria and Jordan... their air-forces were destroyed in the first day, and Israel had full air superiority...

In 1967 (I know from my father who was 17 at the time and actually watched some of the fighting from the roof of his home - that's how close it was), Israel felt like its back was to the wall... and it pleaded with the US to honor their agreement from 1956, which the US didn't...

Also, when you think about it, if Egypt didn't have an air-force, and the US knew that (or their intelligence services suck), they would have never bought it that it was the "Egyptians" attacking them...

I respect your opinion, but the more I think of it, it just doesn't make sense, I can't see the benefit to Israel from attacking it on purpose... nor can I see why the US was involved... but maybe that's just me...

reply to post by backinblack


It's incredibly amusing to watch how you pull that 44 year old bitten USS Liberty baloney every time you feel like you're out of arguments.
It usually goes like this: USS Liberty, The Lavon affair, King David

Ender Shadow, if you research this sad incident you will find plenty of information that completely debunk the false flag accusation. Suffice to see how some of the die-hard “witnesses” changed their stories (Sworn testimonies) over the years. Several official investigations concluded this was a case mistaken identity in the fog of war. You can hear the actual pilot voice recordings to verify it. It's in Hebrew on NSA web site.

www.sixdaywar.org...

hnn.us...

www.danielpipes.org...

reply to post by gravitational

From your link..

The USS Liberty, a US intelligence gathering ship, was steaming more than 10 miles off the coast of El Arish on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six Day War, when at around 2 P.M. Israeli jets, responding to reports of shelling from the sea, attacked with cannon and napalm. Soon afterwards Israeli torpedo boats arrived at the scene and also attacked after first being fired upon by the Liberty.

Would you care to show me the guns on the Liberty that fired those shells from the sea?

Also, Israeli jets took out the few small guns the Liberty had so who exactly fired on the Torpedo Boats?