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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by filosophia
This 'you' on another plane, can you locate it?
Things, such as hand movements happen the same as clouds passing.
" With truth, understanding, and reason in the balance, UC Berkeley's Phillip Johnson makes a persuasive case for the reality of the mind of God arguing against the naive idea that all reality can be explained in terms of purely physical and material causes. His lecture is thought-provoking.
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Originally posted by RicoMarston
reply to post by filosophia
Philosophy is proof of God? nope. not proof.
I'm not saying that faith and religion NEED proof either.
but you can't offer philosophical writings as proof of anything.
that's like saying channeled visions are proof or Atlantis or ETs.
I'm not saying that I don't BELIEVE in channeling, or God for that matter, I'm just saying that there is no way to prove it.
Also, just because someone didn't have the same interpretation of texts or scriptures as you doesn't mean they didn't read it.
After almost ten years of study into world religion and philosophy, the only thing I've learned with any certainty is that everyone has their own interpretations.
What you see as proof, I see as conjecture.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by filosophia
The hand moves and a voice says i moved my hand but did it just happen and a little voice was then heard saying i moved my hand.
Originally posted by RicoMarston
reply to post by filosophia
ah, but here's the problem; how do you know that when you move your hand, you're doing it all by yourself? Couldn't the very idea of moving your hand, the phenomenon you use as proof of your own autonomy, have been placed there by an outside actor? by "the dreamer?" We assume that because we decided to move our hand, the decision was ultimately ours. The cloud drifting by is blown by the wind which is caused by the earth's rotation which is caused by... see? How do we know that the idea of moving your hand started with you? in your own brain? each and every one of our actions could be produced by a similar effect to the cloud being blown in the wind. the cloud may think that it is going where it pleases, when it is actually being strictly controlled by the forces acting upon it.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by filosophia
Are you also beating your heart, pumping blood through you body, digesting your food? It is all being done, there is nothing that is not being done. But it is being done by no one. No person is doing it.
Everything I said is not "new" it is 1500+ year old philosophy and metaphysics,
society has just simply ignored it because it is no longer "mainstream" which is why people have psychological problems: they don't meditate and attune to the higher spirit.
It also is the reason why religious wars are waged: because people have lost sight of the true God (within).