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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Fractured.Facade
Dont suppose you would care to give us names of the people the US kidnapped and sent to Egypt, including evidence as to why the US did this.
www1.albawaba.com...
-- This independently obtained document reveals that Jamaal Mubarak, potential heir to Husni Mubarak, was behind the 2005 bombing of Sharm el Sheikh. The target of the bombing was a family friend, of Jamaal’s father.
-- The brotherhood: A plot unveiled to keep the Muslim Brotherhood out of key roles in the public services.
-- Proof of activity to destroy archives of state records, namely select or key documents. The originals would be retained, but copies of these very confidential or classified items would be shredded.
-- VHS- in fact a sex tape- reveals a rendezvous arranged through Hosni Mubarak, a female Kuwaiti royal member and an Egyptian businessman in Alexandria.
-- The opposition: An acknowledgement of their successful deal with the US administration as it serves the interests of Israel and the US; changing the current regime endorsed by the US would risk perceived detrimental effect on US strategic interests.
-- Jumma, may be a Mubarak-appointed Mufti perhaps an Azhari affiliate: exposed as being engaged in several secret marriages. One of particular scandal-worthy note, is identified as the grand-daughter of former head of Azhar.
-- A proposal that there be a purely cosmetic change in the Egyptian security state services. More dissembling; to convey falsely that the old state security is gone, while it is still sustained and run under a different umbrella.
-- Shocking: images of torture victims, this one of a tortured minor found on the state security premises amongst files.
-- This, a statement unearthing how a Mubarak-linked NGO or Human Rights association was planning to organise a campaign to pledge its support for the nomination of Jamal Mubarak for the presidential race.
-- Against the Brotherhood . It is believed that the author of these series may have been influenced or led by state security to lead a campaign to make the Brotherhood look like terrorists.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by brill
It as much of a fact as the other side of this argument is. Care to show where the US had issued orders to Egyptian Security forces to torture egyptians and kill them? They dont take orders from us, and we dont take orders from them.
The article in the OP is misleading to put it mildly. How was the US directly involved in what the article is talking about.
None of these documents have been published yet, but they are probably going to be the source of quite a few scandals in Arab countries and abroad. Even the shredded material, which Wikileaks have offered to reconstruct in a recent tweet. [Egyptian Chronicles]
Originally posted by Xcathdra
And again, I will point out that we are 4 pages into this, and all I am seeing is disgust over "US Actions" while Egyptian Security actions are ignored.
www.spiegel.de...
CAIRO/BERLIN -- Egypt's state security apparatus was quite literally a state within a state -- omnipresent, brutal, equipped with immense resources, and uncontrollable. Some of its crimes may now be coming to light. Over the weekend, Egyptian citizens secured secret documents from state security headquarters in Cairo. Shortly before, a fire had broken out in the building. Many in the opposition that helped to topple the Mubarak regime believe it was an arson attack aimed at destroying sensitive files...
'Zero Hour' in Sharm el-Sheik
Dated June 7, 2005, the purported secret document states: "Yesterday at 2:30 p.m., we met with Mohammad H., Osama M., Rafit M. and Siad A and agreed on all the points of the plans for the implementation of Assignment 231 of January 29, 2005. We agreed to focus on three vehicles equipped with explosives, in the area around Naama Bay, so that the first would explode at the entrance to the Mövenpick Hotel, the second … near the hotel and the third in Mövenpick Village, which all belong to Mr. Hussain Salim … We agreed that the zero hour should be on the morning of July 23, 2005."
Attacks really did take place on that morning, at 1:15 a.m., at almost precisely the locations cited in the document, and resulting in more than 80 deaths. A previously unknown al-Qaida splinter group claimed responsibility for the attack at the resort, which is extremely popular with European tourists.
Another ostensible memo relating to "Assignment 231," appears to provide the context for the act. It allegedly reports that a business dispute had broken out between Gamal Mubarak, the son of President Hosni Mubarak, and hotelier Hassain Salim...
Was the Egyptian regime unscrupulous enough to instigate mass murder in order to support the private goals of the president's family? For now, the veracity of the document has not been proven. The fact that the circumstances of the attack and the alleged guidelines in the memo fit together so well could be seen as an indicator for either scenario: that the document was forged, or that it is real.
Nevertheless, it would be extremely unusual for a secret service to put an assignment like this in writing. On the other hand, though, who would fabricate a document like that -- why, and on whose behalf? It appears that only state security service insiders, with the help of historians, will be able differentiate between the real and forged documents -- and that work might have to come at a much later date. This uncertainty also applies to the remaining findings, that nevertheless were published. But, in part, they are clearly more plausible. "Mubarak's Gestapo," the name given by the opposition press for the secret service, was involved in criminal activities on all levels.
www.democracyreview.com...
President Barack Obama asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to set out, Saturday March 5, for Cairo without delay on an emergency mission as protesters gathered, and gained entry to the headquarters Egyptian State Security, Amn El Dawla, in Alexandria, Cairo and other smaller town.
Bob Gates' visit was not publicized in media, in US or Egypt. Only a few people were informed. Gates then flew to Afghanistan to wide media coverage of this portion of the trip. Is his visit a first sign of a new US unpublicized war on Egyptians and their hope for Democracy?
Coincidentally, as Bob Gates arrives in Cairo, the Army and State Security present him with a very special gift the very same day indeed: a hard line approach with peaceful protesters gathering in front of Ministry of Interior in downtown Cairo. The Old Mubarak Regime, Egypt's MOI and American CIA have a lot of secrets hidden there. As you can see, the situation becomes very tense, even though the protesters are very peaceful. The Egyptian army turns downtown Cairo into a war zone. It is aided by a coordinated attack from the infamous thugs, or agents in plain clothes.
Lesson learned we hope: As the protesters numbers were not very big, the Army employed gunfire, threw molotov cocktails, used tasers, electric batons and clubs against protesters, and beat women. The Army seems to have coordinated the attack with the infamous plain-clothed thugs that seem to appear whenever convenient for the State Apparatus.
Trusting the Army in small numbers is obviously not wise as 30 peaceful civilian protesters are now being presented to the military prosecutor unit. Lawyers were denied access to this Military Court, and told that no protesters were detained.
Must be just coincidence right? Or Did Bob Gates order Egypt's SS & Army to change tactics with Tahrir protesters?
Update: On Feb 26-27, two protesters were presented very rapidly to Military Court and received five and seven years in prison.
Update: On Mar 5-6, 27 protesters were presented very rapidly to Military Court and then released next day.
Update: On Mar 9, 192 protesters, including 17 women were brutally arrested by a coordinated attack on Tahrir Peaceful camp by Military Generals, Military Police. A few have been released after horrific torture and abuse. The Camp was destroyed and square was quickly cleaned by same thugs that attacked protesters. These thugs are definitely paid for by, if not actual undercover Military, State Security agents or Police.
Anyone can do the math for expected escalation of violence and torture against civilians, including torture, and illegal detentions. How many next week? Thousands?
Originally posted by DuneKnight
HOLY S***!!! Robert Gates was in Egypt right when Egyptians were storming State Security and Ministry of Interior HQ and getting all the CIA files!!!
Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Originally posted by DuneKnight
HOLY S***!!! Robert Gates was in Egypt right when Egyptians were storming State Security and Ministry of Interior HQ and getting all the CIA files!!!
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, they didn't get everything.
Checkmate!
Let them go
Originally posted by DuneKnight
There are too many shadowy things going on, better to just leave off to a far away island so I don't have to think about anything.