Get ready to invade Libya and get that gas price down!

Hey everyone... so upon opening my news today and reading through just the first few I got an eerie flashback of the time we were getting ready to invade Afghanistan... and Iraq... and...

Libya Air-strike Hits Family

Several witnesses said one man, possibly the father or grandfather, had died. Others said two children were badly wounded and one of those said two children died. It was not immediately possible to confirm any of the deaths.

Another air strike, one of a series on the town on Monday, hit again shortly after the family car was struck. It sent a plume of smoke into the air and rebel fighters fired at a warplane overhead shouting, "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest).

And then we move onto:

Ghadafi Ordered Pan Am Bombing

A former top CIA official who helped oversee the agency’s investigation into the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, tells NBC News there is "no doubt" that Moammar Gadhafi personally approved the bombing.

We've known this since 1988? And now is the time?

And then I scroll down more and there's this, also front page news:

Oil Rises Again as Libyan Post City Pounded

Oil prices continued to set new post-recession highs Monday as forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi pounded rebels near a key oil port in Libya. It's unclear how long the country's oil exports will be cut off, and traders prepared for a worst-case scenario in which world supplies would be under pressure for months.

Oh no, what shall we do?

Do you feel like we need to invade Libya? Well, that's probably the goal. We've got CIA agents coming out 30 years later, telling us how bad this guy is, the fear of our wallets getting hit by rising gas prices. And then air strikes creating collateral damage. No! America would never stand for this!

Estimates for civilian casualties in Iraq since 2003 are between 98,170 — 107,152 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict, out of an estimated 150,726 total kills - civilian and combatant. So, of all the people that have died in ONLY Iraq in the past few years, it seems 2/3 are 'collateral damage', or what seems more like a euphemism for genocide.

Civilian Casualties in Iraq


Now, I'm not saying this guy is good. I think he's a bad man too and does not belong in power but is this starting to feel like another witch hunt, a 'topple Saddam Hussein - part 2'. At least I think they'll be smart enough not to invent any WMDs this time since that worked so well last time.

Should we spend our resources on another intervention, another war? Is our American tax dollar spent better focusing on us for the next few years or should we go topple another dictator. And who benefits from this one? I don't think our concern are neither the people of Libya nor the democracy. There are plenty of other dictators and countries that need help that don't get 5 seconds in the news.

Well, we'll follow the money and see who who makes the most this time. I'm sure we all already have ideas.

Khar

Was it RussiaToday that reported that Russian satellites didn't confirm the air raids going on in Libya. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore

If we invade Libya it will be to keep the oil in the ground, and keep oil prices high.

Do you really think oil companies want low oil prices?

reply to post by downtown436


Agreed, only a small percentage of oil comes to the US from Libya, this is just price gouging at it's best and the super inflation starting to rear it's ugly head. It seems like today is dis-info day on ATS, a lot of weird threads today.

see this chart:

www.eia.doe.gov...

and explain how the price goes up?

I don't even see Libya or Egypt !!!!!!

its price gouging and manipulation.

some answers are on these forums:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


www.abovetopsecret.com...



I think somebody - anybody with negotiating experience should organize a Gas Price Protest!

all ya have to do is get 100 neighbors to block the pumps at your corner gas station and demand that the OWNER lower the prices NOW or we don't buy anything including stuff in your convenience store or car wash! So what if THEY want to see your I.D. - show it to 'em and tell 'em to "get a life"!!

"Real ID's" only produce "Real Phony ID's"!

set a time and date here in the U.S. and maybe the U.K. too!

same goes for the airlines ---- maybe we need an old fashioned "Jessie Jackson -SCLC" style boycott of all the "problem" products!

sock-puppeteers! are you listening?

I agree too that this delay may be connected with a soon to be false flag.

Probably involving the Mexican border.

reply to post by xuenchen


Sorry, am trying to work out your chart and why the UK is on that list of top exporters to the USA..
surely that can't be right!

If you truly want an invasion of Libya, then do it for the right and moral reasons - and thats to save the Libyan masses from extermination in the hands of the mass murdering ruler, for humanitarian reasons of brotherhood in Humanity.


But if you want oil prices to go down, the best people that should be taken down are the oil speculators. They are the ones whom are playing the casino stock exchanges, moving up the price of oil based upon PRESUMED demand and INSTABILITY, but not on ACTUAL NEEDS of the international market or avaliable stockpiles.

There is absolutely no reason for the price of oil to rise in US or even UK, as much of that oil supply are for other nations in Europe and both UK and US has enough stockpiles avaliable to ease the market if they want to, or their puppet corporation masters allows it.

Fight for the right reasons. Each human life is precious and means something to someone.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Sorry, am trying to work out your chart and why the UK is on that list of top exporters to the USA..
surely that can't be right!

Canada is #1 the UK is #11

Yes! the US buys oil from the UK ... but not a whole lot!

the point being, the price of oil is based on the rabid unregulated speculation markets.
the high price is because of panic buying! not because of any shortage.
Libya and Egypt do not supply enough to warrant a massive price increase!


Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries) (by the U.S.)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)

Country Dec-10 Nov-10 YTD 2010 Dec-09 YTD 2009

CANADA 2,713 2,510 2,532 2,710 2,479
MEXICO 1,365 1,363 1,280 1,204 1,210
SAUDI ARABIA 1,087 1,141 1,094 877 1,004
NIGERIA 1,070 860 1,025 1,029 809
VENEZUELA 917 942 987 849 1,063
RUSSIA 514 553 611 385 563
ALGERIA 484 572 507 544 493
IRAQ 336 340 414 325 450
ANGOLA 319 276 390 278 460
BRAZIL 295 198 271 184 309
UNITED KINGDOM 236 187 256 199 245
COLOMBIA 231 492 365 231 276
ECUADOR 192 194 197 86 185
VIRGIN ISLANDS 191 234 255 289 277
KUWAIT 125 170 197 160 182

www.eia.doe.gov...

reply to post by xuenchen


Thanks for the reply... It was not the fact that it is not a lot, it is that fact that we (the UK) are on the list at all with only what, 0.2% of the worlds stocks! It seem bizarre to me to export what we then need to import, which then forces us to pay import duties on the fuel we use..

Grrrr, the more I look into this the more it crystallises in my mind the whole things is a scam.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Thanks for the reply... It was not the fact that it is not a lot, it is that fact that we (the UK) are on the list at all with only what, 0.2% of the worlds stocks! It seem bizarre to me to export what we then need to import, which then forces us to pay import duties on the fuel we use..

Grrrr, the more I look into this the more it crystallises in my mind the whole things is a scam.

edit on 7/3/11 by thoughtsfull because: (no reason given)

I'm sure its all part of the London-Washington D.C. connections!

they trade money back and forth like bees swarm a honey hive.

both our countries are "tax gluttons" that feed on all of us chickens!

great observations on your part!

keep digging ... you will need a titanium shovel however ...

get ready to dig all the way down to Babylon bedrock! a lot of answers are THAT FAR DOWN!

reply to post by xuenchen


thank for the info.

I knew they where greedy, but that greedy! *shakes head*

I'll have to pick myself up a titanium shovel.. I think I might need it..

My usual digging is around the 2,000 year old games betwix Britain and Rome... it seems I might need to poke my head above my usual hole once in a while

reply to post by thoughtsfull



you might try reading the thread about Rome.....

its long, but the info and theories are supreme!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

hahaha! the title is funny.

If we invaded them it would be more about, civilians gettting shot and killed by mass.

It seems inevitable that the U.S will invade Libya. If you look at the news as a timeline, starting with the wikileak cable outlining rampant corruption in Libya, that helped fuel the civil unrest.

Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi is a skillful politician who has manipulated local rivals and his own sons so that he could remain in power, according to a series of US diplomatic cables on Libya, published this week by WikiLeaks.

Then Obama declared a state of emergency over Libya, as well as imposing sanctions over Muammar Qaddafi.

President Obama issued an executive order Friday evening that imposes immediate sanctions on Libyan ruler Muammar al Qaddafi, his sons and his accomplices in the slaughter of civilians. In a letter accompanying the order, Obama declared a national emergency over the situation.

Now oil dependent nations are covered with a cloud of concern over rising oil prices and the implications this may have on their economies. I would like to open your eyes to the possibility that this has been on the elites drawing board for sometime. I am not promoting this conspiracy but rather outlining it as a possibility. It may pay some credence towards those who believe wikileaks is an institution of the elite. Whatever your views are, I remain in support of a popular revoloution both globaly and within soveriegn states although, in the case of a popular revoloution no country or external force has the right to any intervention or control.

Ar ticle on Libyan corruption
Article on Obama's declaration of a state of emergency over Libya

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


The UN Resolution for targetted sanctions in Libya over its leaders was an UNANIMOUS decision by MAJORITY of world leaders who was horrified and sickened by what an well armed Gaddafi and sons did to his own unarmed citizens whom were only pleading for help over bread and butter issues.

I can qoute you just about every whoring mother's son of banker, corporation elites and politicians whom have EQUAL aims on the fabled wealth of LIbyan oil, their long range plans on how to get their dirty greedy hands over it - Russia, China, India, Iran, etc, etc, not just US alone.

But it was just too bad gaddafi was the man of the moment whom seized power and owned Libya and its wealth. One can say he pratically invaded Libya with his coup plotters, as he had low regards for his own citizens. Libya was just too small for his megalomania, and had sought to control the whole of Africa, using his weatth to expand his own influence.

It wouldn't be so bad, for Africa does need someone to unite them, but unfortunatedly, the beast was a flawed mortal, and had only further corruption by his african dictator buddies, whom used those funds to line their own wallets instead of social expenditure for the masses to create education, skills and jobs.

He created more social problems than solve them, capricious use of his wealth at his whim and fancy, instead of better management of economic policies even on his own Libyans. The evidences lays in the protests against him. None of it would have happened had he cared. Libya's wealth is far obscene compared to its limited population, where everyone of them would have no need to worry where their next meal will come from IF it had been equally shared and not just into the dictator wallents.

But he did not care, and not only that, he prefers to murder them all, whomever dare to challenge his rule and power, typical of dictators inorder to cling on to power, even if they had proven themselves inept in governmental administrations.

There is no one else to blame, no illusionary shadow's to conjure up within one's mind as being behind the uprising. The only ones to be blamed are Gaddafi and sons, with their delusions of granduer that had made every Libyan a Mohamed Bouzizi.

And it is not limited to LIbya. It is happening around the world - Russia, China, India, Iran, SA, Syria, etc, etc where wealth is not shared but use to fuel a dictator's, banking/corporation elite's self interests.

Every human, less those bootlickers, are only one step away from becoming another Mohamed Bouzizi. May they do not do what Bouzizi had done, but instead take it out on the pepertrators. Why give up one's precious life for those whom cares not for them?

lybia is pumping oil under force majeure, they put out almost 1.5 mill barrels a day when they do pump up to capacity.
the oil that they would send out, goes to mostly europe, and iItaly gets almost a thrid, 450,000 barrels,so the oil for europe has to come from other sources.
that's why speculators are driving the price up so high.

Libya Declares Force Majeure On Oil Exports Of 1.5 Million Barrels A Day Tyler Durden's picture Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/22/2011 11:36 -0500 * Crude * France * Germany * Italy * Reuters Reuters reports that Libya has just declared force majeure on its oil exports. As a reminder, Libya exports (under non-force majerue conditions) about 1.5 million barrels per day. That's a lot of barrels, especially for Italy which relies on 425,000 barrels a day from Libya to keep its economy going. From the EIA: With domestic consumption of 280,000 bbl/d in 2009, Libya had estimated net exports (including all liquids) of 1.5 million bbl/d. According to 2009 official trade data as reported to the Global Trade Atlas, the vast majority of Libyan oil exports are sold to European countries like Italy (425,000 bbl/d), Germany (178,000 bbl/d), France (133,000 bbl/d), and Spain (115,000). With the lifting of sanctions against Libya in 2004, the United States has increased its imports of Libyan oil. According to EIA estimates, the United States imported an average of 80,000 bbl/d from Libya in 2009, up from 56,000 bbl/d in 2005 but, as a result of the U.S. economic downturn and subsequent decline in oil demand, 2009 levels were below 2007 highs of 117,000 bbl/d. Libya's oil exports by destination 2009 Libyan oil is generally light (high API gravity) and sweet (low sulfur content). The country's nine export grades have API gravities that range from 26.0o to 43.3o. While the lighter, sweeter grades are generally sold to Europe, the heavier crude oils are often exported to Asian markets. 5

i have found conflicting articles about how much their production has dropped this article says half.

www.capitalfm.co.ke... ess/International/Libyan-oil-production-%27halved%27%3A-state-oil-boss-5623.html


this week march 4 2011, this one says they only exported 400,000 barrels.
hope this link works the web site limits how many article you can read for free.

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1d72af02-46a5-11e0-967a-00144feab49a.html

so until the fighting stops in lybia the price will continue to go up because of the speculators.
these are the bastards that need to be brought under control, making money off of people misrey, just plain sucks.

Originally posted by Kharron
Hey everyone... so upon opening my news today and reading through just the first few I got an eerie flashback of the time we were getting ready to invade Afghanistan... and Iraq... and...

...and did gas prices go down after the first two invasions and occupations?

So what makes you think gas prices would decline after another "liberation"?