I'm a muslim. I'm not violent/radical. Tell me I'm lying!

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I have never understood Islamophobia. Unfortunately, most people assume the fundamental pockets represent the whole of a culture and it creates a divide between the reality and fantasy courtesy of mainstream media.

A few years ago a mosque in our community was targeted and burnt down that resulted in massive amounts of outrage pouring in from all people of all backgrounds. During the rebuilding process, churches, community centres and other places open their doors so people had a place to worship.

5 Ridiculous Things You Probably Believe About Islam

It is the fundamentalism of any sect or religion that is the problem. I don't really believe in religions, am not 100% convinced that Yeshua is not a metaphor either, however, I do feel with my energy recognition, the Spirit of Peace and Love in Some passages in the bible, and his does have the Light squares, and have researched and found some inspiring ones within the Muslim. I know there are Light squares to be found in probably most religions if not all, and in many other writings as well, and many distortions to try and control people. So moderates and even spiritual who stay on the outskirts of the religions, can still find Light within, and should be able to value, that Light and Love, and read from (I have to say books that excerpts that only contain the light passages, because I'll never read the bible twice, it horrified me, just as any other one would) any number books, in a kind of interfaith way.


I certainly don't believe in any form of wedding religion to politics. Politics should be people generated, grass roots counsels, and yet, based on high standards of human rights, equality, and both freedom/social commitment to services.

I really appreciated your thread and posts. Blessings, Peace, Love & Light!

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
There is something in Islam called Taqiyya which allows a Muslim to LIE about their faith.

Question:

Are Muslims permitted to lie?


Summary Answer:

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

Link to site quoted.
Taqiyya Wikipedia entry.

That site gives Qur'an and Hadith quotes saying lying is okay to deceive unbelievers. So yes you probably are.

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Ask George W Bush and his entire cabinet about lying.

If you live in a glass house....!

Now lets all stop trying to piss up each others' trees and try to get together as a unified people.

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A little off topic but your post inspired me to say that of all the actions of radicals (aside from the killing of the innocent), one I hate the most is the targeting of Churches and Synagogues.

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Star for you. And if I could find you I'd give you $5 and a cookie. lol

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I'm secular but I still believe in the sanctity of a place of worship. For anyone's sacred place to be desecrated is horrific and inhumane.

My hope is that someday we will all live equal and hate free.

Don't worry too much about it, only the closed minded people see all Muslims as terrorists, the problem is the MSM focuses too much on the bad stuff caused by the few; it causes people to be blind to the truth.

I have worked with Muslims, I socialise with a couple, and they are good people who don't let their religion interfere with their friendships.

I have to admit, when I seen the extremists burning poppies on remembrance day, I was angry at the Muslim community, as with 7/7, but after a few deep breaths, I accepted the fact that they do not act in the interest of all Muslims. Unfortunately not everybody can take those few deep breaths and that’s where the problem lies.

It's a messed up world, but the good people, regardless of race, sex / sexuality, colour or religion will always (most of the time) get along, we're all human at the end of the day.

I believe you. In fact, I believe most Muslims are peaceful people who simply want to worship in their own way, raise their families, reach their potential, and live in harmony. I've met some of you and there is no way I'm going to place you in the same category as a "terrorist," whatever that is.

The way I have had it explained to me by a Muslim man named Yassar, an Egyptian, was that he thinks the extremists are taking sayings in the Koran out of context and mis-applying them to justify their extremist actions. I'm willing to trust him on his interpretation. I believe him, too.

I have some problems with Christians as well. I'm not talking historically, which is worse, and I can well understand the issue with the Crusades, but let's face it, the historical Muslims battled there way into Spain with just as much violence as the Crusaders went into Jerusalem, so for the present, let's call it even. In any case, let's leave it for another discussion. We're talking TODAY here.

Well, I think the Westboro Baptist Chruch people are nuts. I think the Aryan Brother hood is nuts. I think those Christians who advocate violence are nuts. But the worst the Westboro Baptist Church crowd has done is picket military funerals with offensive signs. If this were an Iraqi funeral, the jihadist response would not be to carry an offensive sign. It would be to recruit someone, usually a young idealist, strap C4 to his body, have him attend the funeral and blow himself up with as many innocent people as he could. And for that he will get his reward in Heaven.

You see the difference?

What is troubling is that the 'peaceful Muslim world' is not saying, "Hey, wait a minute. You jihadists killing innocent people, usually fellow Muslims, is wrong. You should be shunned." Instead, by your silence, you are giving tacit approval to their actions.

So I believe you. You are not violent/radical. You are not lying. You are very tolerant. Unfortunately, you are also tolerant of the violent/radical people who hide amongst you, where they know they will be safe.

That's a problem only you can solve.

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That is my hope and goal, but unfortunately an unorganized group of millions doesn't stand a chance against an organized thousands. I love how America was PRE 9/11, although there was a lot of hate and such, we were able to deal with it. It's getting out of hand now.

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I agree. Historically religion was government, therefore you had all of the religious campaigns you just mentioned. That age is LONG gone and there are some muslims, and even christians who are still stuck back in that time. It's heartbreaking to be honest.

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My uncle is from Iraq and he had moved to the Bahamas right before 9/11 happened, and afterwards he had to wait years before he could re-enter Canada not only because of his background but also, ironically, his birthday was September 11. He still gets hassled every once in awhile.

And some deny racial profiling happens.

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s and f for you sir

I know many many Muslims, none of who are radical. I love your idea of a protest against radicalization may I suggest perhaps a facebook page to get things rolling, because I'm sure there are a ton of people, both Muslim and otherwise that would love to participate.

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Of course social media would be my first line of spreading the word. I just need to handle certain things such as endorsements from various high profile individuals so I can go further than just 100 or 1000 people with picket signs. If we're picketing, I wand hundreds of thousands nationwide you know?

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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Star for you. And if I could find you I'd give you $5 and a cookie. lol

Can I have the $5? Its just I'm diabetic and the cookie might kill me.

I live in a very multicultural area of London. Its 1/3 white, 1/3 Hindu and 1/3 Muslim. I wouldn't have it any other way! The youths on the street are very respectful of us old people (except the whites!) The English are the lowest of the low round here and I wish to God their parents had the same values of our immigrants!

I'm white caucasion BTW.

There are some admirable attributes to each and every race and creed in this world, Can't we get together and agree a universal norm?

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lol What is 5$ worth in pounds these days?? It would probably put you in debt. LMAO

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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lol What is 5$ worth in pounds these days?? It would probably put you in debt. LMAO

Its the thought that counts! :-)

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
I'm so so so sick and tired of people, ESPECIALLY on ATS with all of their "where are the moderate muslims" and "why don't peaceful muslims speak out against radical Islam", and when I'm right here in your face, and when I respond to your request for a voice, you tell me I'm LYING TO PROTECT MY FAITH! You don't want a muslim to speak out against radicals, you just want another muslim CO-SIGNING THEIR ACTIONS! I'm considering leaving ATS because for a community of open minded people, there are surely a LOT of close minded individuals here. And based on the amount of stars and flags THEY get I'd say the number keeps growing. I OPPOSE RADICALS OF ANY FAITH. I oppose violence, especially violence in the name of God. Now, lets see how many people say I'm lying...

PeaceLoveLight

Well said and, I feel your pain. In my humble opinion peaceful Muslims are the (silent) majority. Really, all humans want to live in peace and prosper. Muslims are no different in that regard. It would be a pity, if you really left ATS, because some vocal minority accuses you of lying. I for one believe you, because I have met quite a few Muslims in my life, I even had a Muslim roommate for a year while studying in Germany. Best roommate I ever had, I can tell you that. The next one after him who was a German Christian was a pain to live with.

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its not that you exist and are moderate. i believe you. its that a large segment of our country is in complete denial that radicals exist and in large numbers.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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*sigh* As previously stated, that is a SHI'A teaching. But tell me sir, what would be my point in trying to deceive you, or anybody else on this site? It's not like you know me, and me "deceiving" you would benefit me in NO way..

As for the cited Quranic verses, if you actually read them on your own, outside of a website and definitely outside of wikipedia you would know that the concept of taking a non believer as a friend to guard yourself was revealed during a time of torture and hardcore oppression to the Muslims in Arabia. That's exactly why I say that people have to learn to apply the faith to 2011 But you don't HAVE to believe anything I say.

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Sure it would benefit you because you'd be helping to spread Islam. If people think it's all good and non violent they would convert. That's the goal get as many converts as possible.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
I don't follow any sect at all. Those who created these various sects, integrated Islams universal teachings with the culture of whatever country they came from, and now look where it got us. 72 different sects, most of which follow the culture of a country which many of us haven't even been to.

I oppose violence, especially violence in the name of God. Now, lets see how many people say I'm lying...

You are lying to yourself.

All religions are political terrorist cults.
They start by terrorizing their own members.
Religion is just a form of pagan beliefs and self hypnosis.
They represent a childish adaptation to life.

Your own cherry picked version would not even
be accepted by most Muslims.

Just what is it about religion that you need?
Spirituality is about self transcendence,oneness, not belief.