This is the most frustrating thing to me now and must stop ....

This is my problem. Yes I understand that.

But it is also your problem as well.

All these people want to say the constitution is this and the constitution means that.


Listen,

The founding fathers were brilliant.

There is no interpation for what the constitution is. It was written to be clear and concise.

And Mr obam you should be ashame impeached and recalled for saying they were predjudice against gays.

It is not .

It is just saying it is between a man and a woman.

I'm all for the gay thing I mean.

What ever ceramony yiou have and want to call it call it a cerimony of love and commitment but please do not call it a marriage.

That is between a man and a woman.

A cannot this president can walk on the constitution like this he should be impeached recalled and tried for being against the constitution of the united states.

He took an oath yes.

Can someone tell me the oath he swore to.

Please

I thought the oath was to defend the constitution not tear it down and change it as you see fit.


You know we all deserve to get what we all got coming to us.

Socialism

It is already hear.

This is just like the loan scandles.

Now there handing out free healthcare to people at my cost.
Free child care free cell phones free cars.


Well my friends just like my dad said.

Son nothing in life is free. you pay coming into the world as you will pay as you leave this world.

The best I can tell you is be your best and always try your hardest at everything you do. There will always be someone watching. Be inspiring.

reply to post by Rocky Black


It's nice to see you feel so strongly about something, and are willing to stand up for what you believe, but did you need to create another thread for the same subject?

abovetopsecret.com...

Edit: Also if you seriously wanted what presidents oath was: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
memory.loc.gov...

Honestly with removing federal regulation of marriages, he'd be doing what he sees as protecting and defending the constitution.

reply to post by captainbitter


Yes,

I want to let people know that this is frustration is not just me but millions experience it daily.

But sometimes when you start a thread against the POTUS the pro socialism police come out of the wood work and attack without even reading the post.


Impeach recall that is all.

I have no idea what the hell the point of what you wrote was.

You went from gays, to socialism, to I WANT TO BE THE VERY BEST, LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS *cues pokemon music*

Seriously, what?

reply to post by Rocky Black


Have you got a source for where in the Constitution it says marriage is between a man and a woman? When I search the Constitution, I do not find "marriage", "man" or "woman" anywhere.

DOMA (Defense Of Marriage Act) is a law, it is not part of the Constitution. And it's a bad law. It was a bad law when enacted and it's a bad law now. It should be examined with tight scrutiny, as it institutionalizes discrimination.

Obama and DOJ choosing to not defend DOMA is in no way un-Constitutional.

I understand what you are sayin and on a personal note i enjoy your threads.aside from the our now POTUS is not the only one that has changed the constitution to his benefit. every president that i remember has done that in one way or another. please correct me if im wrong.

The Constitution is Old, Face it.

It was made for the Good of the American People at the time However a lot has changed since then and the constitution has become outdated Especially (as you said) When the constition is interpreted differently the Conform to modern american beliefs infact the way America is going at the minute its hard to belive that any of the Constition and its meaning are been followed at all, It stands for so much yet seems to Influence so little because people just dont seem to care anymore

reply to post by Rocky Black


I understand your frustrated, but we all really need to work together to get this country in the right direction. Unfortunately that means we are going to have to make compromises with both the extreme right and left. Without compromise we can only polarize this country more .

I think your just going to have to wait until 2012 for your chance at a new POTUS. Until then stand strong with your beliefs, but don't let them get the best of you and blind you.

Read for yourself man....


randysright.wordpress.com...


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February 25, 2011 by randyedye


Newt Gingrich has outlined grounds for initiating impeachment hearings against the president for violating his oath of office. Mr. Obama already has been backed into a corner and now we will see how he and the labor unions react to another threat to the demolition of their power base. The perfect storm is upon him and absolute, corrupt power never goes quietly into the night; this is even more dangerous since his foundation comes out of the Chicago political machine and the church teachings of the Rev. Wright.

David DeGerolamo

Gingrich: Obama Sparks ‘Constitutional Crisis,’ Raises Impeachment Specter
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV Friday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said President Barack Obama’s decision not to fully enforce the Defense of Marriage law has sparked a constitutional crisis as he has directly violated his constitutional duties by arbitrarily suspending a law.

Gingrich slammed Obama for his decision, telling Newsmax that he is not a “one-person Supreme Court” and his decision sets a “very dangerous precedent” that must not be allowed to stand.

“First of all, he campaigned in favor of [the law]. He is breaking his word to the American people,” Gingrich says.

“Second, he swore an oath on the Bible to become president that he would uphold the Constitution and enforce the laws of the United States. He is not a one-person Supreme Court. The idea that we now have the rule of Obama instead of the rule of law should frighten everybody.

“The fact that the left likes the policy is allowing them to ignore the fact that this is a very unconstitutional act,” Gingrich said.

Gingrich said it is too early to call for Obama’s impeachment, but did not rule it out if he fails to comply with Congress and the constitutional process.

reply to post by Rocky Black

But please do not call it a marriage.

You are all in a snit about semantics here.
Why not just lighten up a little and not ruin other peoples lives if you can?

Like this verbiage allows you some righteous indignation.
And then you can take it a step further and ruin peoples lives with your personal umbrage.

People really ought to be better at picking battles.
For the sake of what a word means to you, deny two people who love each other a right guaranteed others who oftentimes love each other less? Look at divorce statistics. Meanwhile statistically Lesbian lovers stay together forever.

Originally posted by Rocky Black

Gingrich: Obama Sparks ‘Constitutional Crisis,’ Raises Impeachment Specter
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV Friday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said President Barack Obama’s decision not to fully enforce the Defense of Marriage law has sparked a constitutional crisis as he has directly violated his constitutional duties by arbitrarily suspending a law.

Gotta love the Newt, peering around, trying to understand anything...

Nobody has "arbitrarily" suspended any laws. The Obama adminstration and DOJ even say specifically that they will continue to enforce section 3 of DOMA, until and unless the law is repealed.

The Obama adminstration and DOJ have elected to stop defending DOMA, as well they should.

These are two entirely different situations, not that I would expect Newt to understand that.

Originally posted by Rocky Black

“First of all, he campaigned in favor of [the law]. He is breaking his word to the American people,” Gingrich says.

“Second, he swore an oath on the Bible to become president that he would uphold the Constitution and enforce the laws of the United States. He is not a one-person Supreme Court. The idea that we now have the rule of Obama instead of the rule of law should frighten everybody.

To leave every decision to supreme court wouldn't really balance the power, and it most certainly uphold his oath to defend and protect the constitution.

I'd also like to point out that ruling against this law actually is in opposition to socialistic ideas. It removes the governments ability to tell you how to live, and what you can and can't be.

This is in no way a constitutional issue -- it has been done before and is fully supported by law.

President Obama's administration will enforce the law. If someone or some organization tries to make a case that the law is unconstitutional (and this one is obviously discriminatory) the administration has no obligation to defend the law. President Obama has been advised or decided that the law is not constitutional and defending it is a waste of resources and wrong, you might recall that he is a constitutional professor, Newt is not.

The far right is so cute when they get all bent out of shape when some one plays them.

Reference -- actual legal citations even (1minute of research with the Google)

www.outsidethebeltway.com...

reply to post by Rocky Black

The founding fathers were brilliant.

They weren't brilliant enought to outlaw slavery or allow women to vote


Sorry...I don't worship the founding fathers as some do...and I do believe the Constitution is in constant need of updating, modernizing, and interpreting.

Originally posted by TedHodgson
The Constitution is Old, Face it.

It was made for the Good of the American People at the time However a lot has changed since then and the constitution has become outdated Especially (as you said) When the constition is interpreted differently the Conform to modern american beliefs infact the way America is going at the minute its hard to belive that any of the Constition and its meaning are been followed at all, It stands for so much yet seems to Influence so little because people just dont seem to care anymore

edit on 28/2/11 by TedHodgson because: spelling

"The Constitution is Old, Face it.
GGAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!( head exlodes like a computer game "lemming")

It WAS written along time ago: the ideas and principles are as valid in2011as in September 1787. Yes there have been amendments but the original document has stood the test of time and constant onslought by "progressives".

I do not understand why more people aren't upset and constantly make excuses ( its "old"; "it needs to change with the times?") for disregarding the law. I think because they believe they can twist it to mean whatever they want it to so they can get their personal agenda's pushed on all of us..

added:Thingsthatmakeyougo hmmm....


Here some other"old" guy with old ideas:
Perhap some are new to you:

John Petrie’s Collection of
Thomas Jefferson Quotes


Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits.

No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him.

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. (Back then!)

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.

Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

The god who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.

And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter.

In matters of style, swim with the current;
In matters of principle, stand like a rock.

What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.

The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.

When wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality.

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.

The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.

It is strangely absurd to suppose that a million of human beings, collected together, are not under the same moral laws which bind each of them separately.

Liberty is the great parent of science and of virtue; and a nation will be great in both in proportion as it is free.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

I have sworn on the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others.

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

In a government bottomed on the will of all, the...liberty of every individual citizen becomes interesting to all.

I’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it.

Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Most bad government has grown out of too much government.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.

I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.

Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?

A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.

The right of self-government does not comprehend the government of others.

An elective despotism was not the government we fought for.

History, in general, only informs us what bad government is.

If there is one principle more deeply rooted in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.

It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent’s refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.

In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to Liberty.

jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu...

Originally posted by TedHodgson
The Constitution is Old, Face it.

It was made for the Good of the American People at the time However a lot has changed since then and the constitution has become outdated Especially (as you said) When the constition is interpreted differently the Conform to modern american beliefs infact the way America is going at the minute its hard to belive that any of the Constition and its meaning are been followed at all, It stands for so much yet seems to Influence so little because people just dont seem to care anymore

edit on 28/2/11 by TedHodgson because: spelling

I guess people could use that argument for the Torah, the Bible, Koran and many other "old" books. Here is an interesting counter-argument to the position you have provided. Nonetheless, I believe the founding fathers intended it to be a living structure, which would change accordingly with the times. I have to agree that people may not necessarily care anymore - or that they have been led elsewhere by the system in general - and that it's influence is remote and obscure.

However, on an interesting side note - when the US incorporated, they took out civics in schools and replaced it with US Government. Could be a reason why most people don't really think of the constitution.

well for you that like video, here it be www.newsmax.com... and then this is from the link words of Newt G

"I believe the House Republicans next week should pass a resolution instructing the president to enforce the law and to obey his own constitutional oath, and they should say if he fails to do so that they will zero out [defund] the office of attorney general and take other steps as necessary until the president agrees to do his job."

so there it is folks, we were fooled by another one. the joys of voting.

...well, rocky, heres how you fix your little problem... just start saying (out loud) that how other adults love each other is none of your biz and its very important that you mind your own biz... simple...

I know that I should only post a response if I have something to say about the topic... but I really have no opinion about the actual content... since I'm not entirely sure what the OP's actual point was.
Any point that the OP was trying to make was overshadowed by the sheer number of spelling mistakes, typos, and glaringly obvious grammatical errors.

I mean come on, if you think that what you're posting is important, you should at least make the effort to proof read.