I am not a paid propoganda agent

Interesting idea.. But as the bearer of bad news - Government minions.. Erm.. Employees lie all the time... Think anyone who has seen my posts can tell that am not a government minion..erm employee.. In the end it still boils down to attention to detail, reading between the lines and good old fashioned gut instinct to find them..S&F for idea ..

The UCMJ is not a "Guideline" it is followed strictly. Civilian employees are NOT subject to the UCMJ. Most likely the DOD would contract a private company to conduct disinformation operations.


Just Sayin

reply to post by loves a conspiricy


the point of this thread is to get YOU to link it in YOUR signature so HE gets a bunch of views. Pass. First step of being a disinfo agent, explain that you aren't one then accuse everyone else of being one.

Well so and so hasn't denied being a shill, therefore he is one.

Wonderful logic that.

I applaud your intent, implementation is lacking.

please, you think if they really wanted to spread disinformation, considering the things regularly posted on ATS, they'd need government sanctioning and are subject to government law? get real.

I only wish that someone would pay me for my time on ATS. I guess they are some out there. As if this will bring them out though. I am not one, i don't expect anyone would care tho'. If anyone knows where you get a job like this, I would like it as then I would find out what is true?

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia



If you check some videos here on ATS, you will find a couple from a lawyer back-to-back with one from a cop. Basically, the lawyer says to never say ANYTHING to a cop if you are under suspicion for anything. For the cop's video, he plainly tells us several times that it is his right and duty to lie to you if that helps work the case to some conclusion.

And good lord, when has a government official not lied to us? The promoting of the Iraq war is merely one glaring example. While the cop is intent on solving his case, the govenmental official whether Prime Minister, President or disinformation agent has the duty--so they will insist--of acting in (what they preceive to be) the best interests of the state and your rights become worthless.

Basically, this thread is, as someone said, worthless.

And sorry, I won't tell you where my government check comes from, but UFO denial is my area of expertise and Jimmie Oberg is my best bud.

Let's say i do not want to post that i am not a disinfo agent. What then?

Why should i do this, and put it in my signature. Just so that you can identify it easier? This is absurd.

And if only 20 people ask what you want, will you then assume that the rest of ATS members are all disinfo agents.

I appreciate the effort of this, but in the end it will fail.

I could not be bothered to paste it in my signature, but just for the record, i am not a disinfo agent. lol

Good luck with your endevour.

VvV

Am I to understand this only applies to paid disinformation agents? "Pro bono" work would not apply right?

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


What ever. I really dont care if your an agent or not.

First of all if you were you broke some serious rules.

If you were an agent you would have never even mentioned it or you would have been fired.

Psyops are just that. They do one thing to make you think something else.

Kind of like when the us was blasting tank noise to trick the Iraqi's to thinking they were coming right up the middle to really find out they were approached at the left and right flanks and from the north and not from the south.

Did they lie about any thing. Well no... They just played some tank music. did it work.... Hell ya it did...


You dont have to actually lie to be disinfo.

Can a disinformation specialist/cybercommand technician lie and put forth false information. YES.


Are they on this board 24/7 365 YES

Are they perfoming anti-terrorism operations/probes/trolling/any one have any gun out there ops.
Hell ya
24/7/365

To think otherwise is utterly stupid and ignorant.

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90 percent of the time they are just probing for intel or running posting operations and studing responses. Then they start gathering names.


God this is to easy. If I were one I could have some real fun.

I assume you now think 99% of ATS are disinfo agents eh

What would you do even if you found some?? Go tell the police that you were on a CONSPIRACY forum and you have found some naughty military people on there spreading disinfo?? What do you think they will do?? Track everyones IP and go and arrest them....or pretend they are interested in what you are saying then file it in the round filling cabinet?

Like i said yesterday....i total waste of everyones time.

I dont think by not saying what you want proves or disproves anything.

No ones scared of "agents"
Their cowards who hide behind lies.

And for the record im not a dis-info agent either.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


your " interpretation " of the UCMJ , is to put it bluntly - assanine .

for any statement to be an " official statement " - as proscribed by military law , the person making it must be IDENTIFIABLE as a serving miltary service person

thus any uttereance made under a nom de geurre to an anonymous webforum , cannot be identified as coming from a serviceperson - and thus cannot be " official statements "

to put it in words you SHOULD be able to understand

any thing i write under the online person " ignorant_ape" on ATS cannot be viewed as an " official statement " , if however i identified my self as coporal < CENSORED > then my writing could beviewed as an "official statement "

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy

I've had a cop trick me like this once. I asked him if he were a cop... he turned to his buddy and said "pfft.. .this guy wants to know if i'm a cop" and laughed. (avoiding the question, much like yourself). Made me feel stupid and I retracted my question, not expecting an answer, shared my pot... thats when he told me he was a cop. Lesson learned. Don't be a turd.

LOL i didnt avoid the question i told him i was a disinfo agent

I just find this kind of thread pointless and a waste of ATS's bandwidth to be honest.
If i am i am...if im not im not...what difference does it make? Theres enough intelligent people on here to work out whos lying and whos telling the truth...there are also a number of unintelligent people that will accept anything as truth...so you decide what i am...it doesnt matter to me if you think i am or im not



rotflmao...

Waste of time:
( required caveat below
I am not now nor have I ever posted any thing online at the request of( or in collaboration with) any government or even private; agent; agency or organization. Any and all textual drivel is entirely my own...
Now since that' s out of the way:

Have you super spies ( spent 10 seconds of your own thought to realize: "disinformation" doesn't have to be false or an outright lie to be misleading?

People make plenty of connections entirely on their own( as shown above): are you a cop?Heh; he thinks I'm a cop????
riiiight....
( its how infowars writes half their articles)
Forexample::
"Brownsville,Texas national guard units to head "North" tomorrow; Wi. Governor threatens to "clean out" the chamber!.. o ( If guard troopers head to Houston for yearly training tomorrow; not a single lie there (???) and as to " lies": ( er...uh "that would depend on what the meaning of "is" is senator...)? So what;'s your point?


Especially these days of the out of context soundbites: I.E."Business week: "IBM closes worldwide project."
Alex Jones next day : "IBM backs out of new world order plan"!!!

You've gotta be more than a little critical to read between the lines
on your own...

Originally posted by byteshertz

Can you please provide a source to where this is stated in the Universal Code of Military Justice - it sounds about as real as the old wives tale that a police officer has to tell the truth when he answers if he is a policeman.

Old wives tale? If you are arrested or tried in court for evidence obtained from a cop who when specifically asked "Are you a cop?" lies by replying "no". Then the evidence obtained through that deceit is useless in court. This is no old wives tale. I've seen it in action.

In the United States at least.

btw, I'm not a disinfo agent.

In 1950, Congress passed the Uniform Code of Military Justice
(UCMJ),3 providing a comprehensive system of military justice applicable
to all the armed forces. Through this landmark legislation, Congress spe-
cifically addressed offenses involving falsehoods by service members.
Such falsehoods have always proven contrary to the ideals of trust and
integrity vital to the maintenance of military discipline.

Falsehoods and false statements by service members are “condemned by military law as
much for [their] unsoldierly qualities as for the deceit and fraud [they] may
accomplish. A falsehood can never be interpreted as an innocent act.”

.... Service members often make false statements. Not all such state-
ments, however, violate Article 107. In establishing Article 107, Congress
provided that, “[a]ny person subject to this chapter who, with intent to
deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, or other official
document, knowing it to be false, or makes any other false official state-
ment knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may
direct.”

Statements to public media, and to the public at large, are considered official.

Source: www.loc.gov...



OK, so this only applies to disinformation agents that are members of the military. Civilian Government disinfo agents please ingore this request and continue with your duties, as UCMJ does not apply to you. Whether I am or am not a disinformation agent is strictly up to you and your paranoia to decide.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia




You mean you do it for free????? Geeze they ought to at least buy you lunch.

Well.......

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

I'm not a paid disinfo agent or anything like that but if you find 1 let me know I need a job and that'd be awesome line of work!

Originally posted by Drezden

Originally posted by byteshertz

Can you please provide a source to where this is stated in the Universal Code of Military Justice - it sounds about as real as the old wives tale that a police officer has to tell the truth when he answers if he is a policeman.

Old wives tale? If you are arrested or tried in court for evidence obtained from a cop who when specifically asked "Are you a cop?" lies by replying "no". Then the evidence obtained through that deceit is useless in court. This is no old wives tale. I've seen it in action.

In the United States at least.

btw, I'm not a disinfo agent.

edit on 2/28/2011 by Drezden because: (no reason given)

Hahahahhah as a former drug dealer I've had my fair share of trials and I'[m telling you right now without a doubt 100% you are wrong...That's a old law and since has been overshadowed by undercover officers right to protect oneself by not admitting he's a cop.. I've seen it personally in trial and in friends trials that they can lie to protect thier identity for ongoing investigation purposes...An I live in The U.S...oh by the way Nice Bansky Avatar!!! I love his art