NASA says Elenine could hit earth.no really !

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If it doesn't hit what comet?
Elenin is "the comet".

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yes and just as entertaining, well not true unless your a member of it, just kidding but you do see what i am getting at , why all the confusion why not just say one name or number why all the different ones ??? or do they like us say conspiracy when the is none???? shed some light Phage

Guess if you want a real answer ask a physicist and gotowww.abovetopsecret.com...
Retoric is fine but the answers speak for themselves,definetly a pattern to derail a disinform on certain matters ,especially ,slingshots !

reply to post by bekod

I'm not sure what you mean. A comet usually has two designations. The first, the "number" represents the year it was discovered, a letter for the "halfmonth", and a sequential numeral for the order of discovery. The "name" is usually the name of the discoverer(s).

There is more than one comet. But there is only one comet which will be approaching the Sun and thus becoming visible (maybe) any time soon.

Ikeya-Murakami does not get much inside the orbit of Mars and is moving away from Earth and Elenin. If people are thinking that comet might collide with Elenin they are mistaken.

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No the russians are observing this comet (Elenine)as it traverses through the asteroid on convergences with asteroids as it approaches , and as it states if they can`t see it from ground based telescopes they will employ larger telescopes between 18th february to 18th of june 2011 to attempt to see the occurence through the belt!
Which as they are implying would mean the orbits of said asteroids changing and requiring recalibration of orbit of said asteroids.
However they have been unable at present to see the changes,as quoted at the end.The convergence has already occurred.
very interesting.

Comet Elenina entered the asteroid belt, while it is in a rarefied part of it, near the far border. Due to the fact that the orbit of the comet is unique in its small inclination for long-period comets (the second example could be the comet C/2007 N3 (Lulin), it was decided to calculate the close encounters of the comet with the main belt asteroids.

Search encounters held on the interval from 18 February to 18 June 2011, with the help of software package ArtemisSIMULATOR. Refine approach distances were held in the program EPOS. As a result, 4 were found convergence:

- 28 February 1999 with the asteroid TV67, distance 1,774,707 km (0.012 AU);

- April 7, with the asteroid 4336 Jasniewicz, distance of 1,119,713 km (0.008 AU);

- April 19, with the asteroid 2009 TJ9, distance 325,428 km (0.002 AU);

- May 20, with the asteroid 1999 RQ176, distance 338,403 km (0.002 AU)

Of particular interest are the last two flights, astroid will pass through a sufficiently dense dust tail of a comet. Perhaps we will be able to capture the data closer to using large telescopes. Determine the influence of gravitational perturbations of a comet to an asteroid, using ground-based optical observations, unfortunately not succeed.

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No.

Lulin is on it's way away from the Sun. It is now beyond the orbit of Saturn (far beyond the asteroid belt) and will not return (if it does) for millions of years.
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No--- russians are observing it between 18th feb-18th june 2011 for observations from their simulator concerning asteroids detailed and readdressing any changes they observe,as their simulator has calculated proximities close to the comet as it approaches
Really thats what it says,so NO,fixation with the comet when its the asteroids their watching..Nice try

reply to post by gringoboy

They are talking about watching Elenin as it moves inward through the asteroid belt. Lulin is mentioned because, like Elenin, it has a long period, low inclination orbit.

They say that the effects of passing the first of 4 asteroids (on February 28th) was too small to be seen with ground based telescopes. They hope to be able to see some effects when it passes the closer asteroids.

SpaceObs.Org


Lulin left the inner solar system long ago and will not be back for a very long time.

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Exactly ,much ado !

reply to post by gringoboy

So you understand that there is one comet (Elenin) approaching the inner solar system?

You understand that another comet, Lulin is very far away, far beyond the asteroid belt, and getting farther away all the time?

You understand that Elenin is not going to hit anything?

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I understand that it is certainly being observed for moving the orbits of other moving bodies and at present calculative current variables of 0.02 au each month if continued could bring it close.Not close enough to hit with current data,however will be a raryfied spectacle on the 26th of september (with tail alignment with earth) and may be closer than expected on the 16th october,perhaps its tail debris offshooting within our orbit on the 26th september,which obviously it will do on the 16th october being in front of earths orbital path on exit.
Seeing as it is not at present a close sungrazing comet the affects of a CME are reduceable but crucial date window of cme`s could have a affect on its calculated escape path,but not enough to merit a hit on current data..

well this might might not help members.westnet.com.au...

Latest orbit update indicates that the comet will pass perihelion on September 10, 2011 at a distance of 0.48 AU, later encountering the Earth on October 17 at 0.23 AU.

i hope that works for you.

Originally posted by bekod
well this might might not help members.westnet.com.au...

Latest orbit update indicates that the comet will pass perihelion on September 10, 2011 at a distance of 0.48 AU, later encountering the Earth on October 17 at 0.23 AU.

i hope that works for you.

Interesting the part about the surge from the tail of the comet from article.

C/2010 X1 Elenin The Great Binocular Comet of 2011 ? Closest to Sun on 10 Sep 2011 at 0.48AU Closest to Earth on 17 Oct 2011 at 0.23AU Maximum magnitude ?3-4 in Sep-Oct 2011 Left: Image of comet 2010 X1 Elenin. Right: Guide V8 software showing position of comet. 2011 Jan 28.5UT 15x10 second exposures. C11 SCT and starlight express CCD. current magnitude about 17.5-18.0 Fuzzy patch below centre is a galaxy! A Russian amateur astronomer, Leonid Elenin of Lyubertsy near Moscow, discovered a 19th magnitude comet on December 10, 2010 using a remotely controlled telescope situated in New Mexico, USA . Latest orbit update indicates that the comet will pass perihelion on September 10, 2011 at a distance of 0.48 AU, later encountering the Earth on October 17 at 0.23 AU. The observing circumstances from Earth's perspective are highly favourable as comets are concerned. The close passage to the Sun and later close encounter with Earth are important factors in producing bright comets, especially if the solar encounter causes disruption to the nucleus, releasing dust particles. What is also interesting about this comet is that its inclination is only 1.8 degrees from Earths orbit. We will observe the comet edge-on throughout the apparition, enhancing the dust tail and trail, should the comet be dust rich. Maximum brightness at this stage is difficult to predict, but may appear visible to the unaided eye at 4th magnitude, when well situated in the evening sky for Southern hemisphere observers during early September 2011. By mid September, it continues to brighten but is lost to evening twilight. By late September, it passes 2 degrees from the Sun and should be visible through the SOHO C3 coronagraph (between Sep 23 and 29), and STEREO A&B spacecraft. A maximum phase angle of 177 degrees is reached around September 26. Dust is very efficient at forward scattering of sunlight. A surge of 2 magnitudes is possible if the comet is dust rich. However, the comet is not expected to be observable from the ground and and any attempts to do so will be very risky! During early October, comet Elenin reappears in dawn skies for Northern hemisphere observers. Southerners need to wait until mid-October before the comet is sufficiently high enough for observation, but moonlight will interfere until October 23rd.

NOTE

A surge of 2 magnitudes is possible if the comet is dust rich. However, the comet is not expected to be observable from the ground and and any attempts to do so will be very risky!

Thankyou Bekod a welcome adddition of information .It may not be sungrazing but earth tail grazing .

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Finally the claim of no official credential for a comet affecting or being changed because of magnetic reconnection is answered,electric propagation universe is valid.This thread is in the philosphers hoax corner because of supposed no valiidity,make of it what you will.

Originally posted by Unity_99
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We need to understand consciousness. We need to do Good, help others, towns adopt third world towns. No time to worry about making the politicians and their negative overlords see the light, we can do things now.

Good creates good, draws in our help.

We can envison everyone waking up.

Well, I've practiced the law of affinity, the bringing in more higher frequency things, like prayer, meditation, sungazing, birdsong, laughter, and envisioning (I pray it, I give it to the Creator and Family, all that is True Love and Goodness in existence) and have had miracles regarding this.

It works.

We need to understand, its all a test and its about our consciousness growing or shrinking, progression/regression. The more we think of others the more Good comes in to help.

Greetings:

Right on! Right on! Right on!

Did I say, "Right on?"

Unity_99, you have always had the ability to instill hope, cheer and light in all of the threads you choose to grace.

This is one of your best. Thank you.

Gringoboy, I would never attempt to derail one of your great threads, but some help is needed and I think you and Unity_99 might just be the folks to assist launch. This post reached out and grabbed me, as well as your response, Gringoboy. A true brother and sister - let's do launch! (Cometgate-Part 2 is just around the corner.)

Perhaps, both of you would be so good as to respond to this potentially significant project we have just initiated.

From what we know at this time, it appears that many of the earthquake lights appear about 30 minutes before a major earthquake. With enough data, it might be possible to postulate the birth of some sort of "early warning system," based on real-time data from enough respondents over a broad area - or pinpointed in places like Yellowstone, New Madrid, SoCal, Alaska, etc.

As a first responder and having lived in SoCal for 40 years, I can tell you that a 30-minute lead time on a quake could save thousands of lives.

How about assisting in this project which will correlate earthquake lights, strange sounds and rumblings - before, during, after - and earthquakes. The information collected could possibly lead to some sort of earthquake prediction system here within ATS if the data can be analyzed for some sort of predictive pattern. The idea is to collect the correct data from the start - and as soon as possible IMHO.

I, personally, would welcome any advice/help/suggestions/interested parties to make this idea better and a reality sooner.

It might be interesting to see if any of these sounds have "Earthquake Lights" associated with them before/during/after the sounds and an earthquake? Or were there sounds/lights and the EQ hasn't happened as yet - we really do not have enough data to make an informed decision as to the amount of time between events...?

Here's another thought...what about pre-quake smells?

Please help to spread the word to as many people as possible to quickly build the database as this information and map may prove to be quite timely - especially to people in the Yellowstone/New Madrid/West Coast/Alaska areas.

Earthquake Lights Map Live Update

Thank you for your time and consideration.

These challenges to life and sanity on this planet must be met with clear minds and sound hearts, so may your 2011 see you embracing its highest potential and onward through the fog!

In Peace & Light

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Originally posted by gringoboy
Finally the claim of no official credential for a comet affecting or being changed because of magnetic reconnection is answered, electric propagation universe is valid.

This thread is in the philosphers hoax corner because of supposed no validity - make of it what you will.

Greetings my friend gringoboy:

Telling of the truth is not for the faint of heart as one becomes an instant target.

As we discussed before (seems like an eternity - funny how now brown cow - time (there's that pesky concept again), seems to be measured pre- and post-Japan "3-11" ... just saying... and you were right again...the dynamics over longer times of smaller-size comets are also affected by non-gravitational forces. Given the possible size of this object, a plausible range of secular semi-major axis drift could be in the range |da/dt| < 12 × 10 −4 AU/My; the sign is not known because we have no information on the spin axis. But then, Elenin is in philosphers hoax corner. Wait until they get a rubber ducky (I mean gander) at COMETGATE-Part 2.




And you think West texas is hot? If you were not close on the truth, no one would give a damn, frankly.

BTW, there are, at this brief moment in time, 10 pages that come up on an "Elenin" search on ATS... and COMETGATE does not show up at all...

but, if your search as "COMETGATE/Elinin" you get 10 unique pages of posts spelled with the "i."

And keep company with fine articles as:

Israeli schoolbus hit with anti-tank weapon fired from Gaza ...
Apr 18, 2011 ... I personally think that Hamas is in collaboration with comet Elinin and planet Nirubu to destroy the Taco Bell franchise in Israel. ...

It is unfathomable that so many are not in the hoax bin right here along side yours. Some others even picked up on your Honda article and made a separate thread in Prophecies and Predictions - go figure... the truth is out there.

We wish you the best and keep in there.

In Peace, Love & Light

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