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Originally posted by kroms33
Ahhh Haaa! See? So, what I am saying is that people need to remove themselves from both the material and the political illusions that surround us and start focusing on what really matters - humanity. I mean, if we really didn't matter, why would we be here? Why would you want to continue on?
And yes, the parallels with current events are very staggering... which is why I wrote what I did. The only way for people to survive being dominated by a select elite minority is to not be a part of their system.
Yes good points all. Forget about politics and focus on improving humanity, very good philosophy.
But if the book is correct, sooner or later the "Illuminati" will put us all in a "kill or be killed" situation, and SOMEONE will have to kill them. Maybe Fulford's Ninjas, maybe some other faction, but someone will eventually have to stand up and fight them directly - or we all die!
Originally posted by Northwarden
reply to post by nenothtu
They would be nothing, nothing at all, and likely wouldn't even have a clue as to how to go fishing themselves. If the rest of us are "nothings", "peasants", "peons" in their worldview, their very inability to function at all without us makes them what? Something less than that.
Dependents.
It would be egotistical to say the companies of elites could not survive without us, seeing how easy we adapt without thought or working with their ideals or, over time, infrastructure. They're still human, and in that commonality can become self-sufficient bright points unto themselves as well. Their wealth and influence already brings them much levity, recognizable morality diminishes into power-plays, and only their system stands vulnerable. The House of Commons and the House of Lords existed in Britain for many long generations, feudalism and oligarchies can bring human co-existence despite their miseries, and a sense of enlightenment or a library of worth can be undervalued or exploited. We may see from the backs of giants, but if we are not they, we still need to grow, and fast!
Neither dependents.
Originally posted by kroms33
What you suggest is to cave in to their illusion. Think of it in these terms - no one has to kill anyone.
Originally posted by cupocoffee
Well, I think that is kind of pollyanna thinking.
In reality, people do put each other in kill or be killed situations, and people DO kill each other.
There is always the risk that as the net tightens around the elite, they might resort to using a bioweapon or other advanced WMDs or cause other crises to distract the world away from them.
We can hope and pray that such things do not happen but if they try, somebody has to be out there fighting them and stopping them, right?
Originally posted by kroms33
Why because it is different then a call to arms telling people to overthrow the government?
Originally posted by kroms33
reply to post by dantanna
so can we use the golden apple as a symbol of rebellion against these fools?
Sure it can, you can even use my artwork if you want. The 3d images of Eris that I have rendered are free to use for anyone. I can also render the golden apple by itself if you wish to use that... U2U me if you want
anyways, if you get a chance, let me know if the golden apple is a good symbol to use! i will make some t-shirts with it and stickers!
As a symbol of what stands against the elite, I think it is really one of the only symbols that is consistent.
It would be cool to put a golden apple bumper sticker on my car... or wear a t-shirt that shows I am not in conformity to a broken, beaten system. Look, the apple is an illusion also - but it is an illusion to represent freedom. People need symbolism to comprehend reality. The current illusion that people comprehend in reality is what the elitists use to 'control' society.
You know... as soon as I read this post, my brain linked-in the garden of eden story. What did the apple symbolize? It symbolized knowledge (eyes open, the awakening). Remember how angry god was with this deed? He had told them specifically not to eat the fruit. Somehow this is so relevant to what is happening now. Certain people wanting to hold on to a 'secret' knowledge and not divulge the information to us mere 'mortals'. Thing is we have already eaten the fruit... its called the internet these days. I am not religious and do not condone throwing in religion into any random topic. I am more interested in the stories that religion offers. It's no secret bible and other texts were written in order to control and manipulate people. The statement 'they' (whoever they are/were) are making is "Don't ask too many questions, you may not like what you find. If you do find it, we will make your life hell. You will no longer have everything provided to you, you will be on your own." That is quite scary to many people.
My two cents. Please forgive if I have broken any forum rules as I am not accustomed to posting 'opinions' and 'speculations', especially on these forums. These forums serve to open the mind, depress and terrify many people and contain very few facts.
I do know one thing. There is something majorly wrong with the world and the way we are forced to live today. I will not stand by while all our freedoms and creativity are suppressed any longer. It is time to start taking a more active approach. This is why I am going to try persuade my family in the US to vote Ron Paul 2012.
Peace and love to all.
You see, if everyone were to simply opt out of that system, neither putting any labor into it nor buying any products out of it, the system itself would collapse, as would everything else that depends upon it, such as the illusory power of these elites. I think you may be overestimating their ego strength. Most all of them would collapse like a house of cards when they realized that the only values they had ever really placed upon themselves were of the financial "net worth" variety, and that sort of value had no value at all any more.
In this instance the Golden Apple represents human vanity and greed. While I do agree with you that the Bible's story of Adam and Eve represents 'knowledge' - what my main meaning behind the message I wrote is that people's vanity and greed is our own downfall. People are starving because we let them starve. People are homeless because we let them be homeless. With the combined efforts of humanity, the entire planet could be paradise if we just walked away from all of the evils that the elite have pushed upon mankind.
If people turned their back on the elite and the governments of the world and worked towards a common goal of progress and respect for one another - they wouldn't be able to survive, nor would they be able to stop us.
Sure, some of the texts of religion has been altered to manipulate humanity - but yet the message that all of the books conclude is: "Love your fellow man."
If people followed that, there would be no use for money, politics, greed, envy, vanity.... you get my point.
Ron Paul is seemingly not of the elite class from my knowledge, and his views are anti-establishment. Although my beliefs are contrary to everything government (giving people dominion over you), I do think that he would be the only choice in the world we currently have to obey.
I don't know exactly how many changes he would be able to make... both parties would hate him.
I may have slightly missed your meaning but I couldn't agree more that greed and vanity are a major problem. This is why i have always had a dis-taste for hollywood. I am at the point where I /facepalm at nearly every single stupid comercial gered towards those vain, greedy and completely ignorant. Your message is sound and logical... I just don't see how we could actually achieve this with still so few strong. We need time I think. Unfortunately, many people do not share the view of 'love your fellow man and treat everyone as you woudl have them treat you."
Also, the fact that he is intelligent, rational and logical will scare the poop out of many people who have power and will do everything for him to not get elected. Unfortunate as it may be, it is true and I agree with you. If we changed the mindset, however, and go in with the mentality that 'he will win'... it may just send a message to other politicians. I am hearing quite a few politicians have heard Ron Paul's words and are starting to raise their head out of the sand. Good thing.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by Northwarden
reply to post by nenothtu
You contend that they are "perpetual motion machines", able to somehow stay in operation with no one laboring to enrich them, and no one buying whatever it is they produce? Interesting concept, but I just can't see it working. I've yet to run into any thing or any one that can perpetually operate on nothing.
Furthermore, the suicides attendant upon the stock market crash that initiated the depression illustrates just how fragile their egos are, how closely they identify self-worth with net worth. If that goes away, then the majority of them do as well. For those who survive, life would never be the same. They could never again exercise the "power" they think they have, because to illusion would have been stripped away. The glory of the Emperor's new clothes would be on display for all to see.
You see, if everyone were to simply opt out of that system, neither putting any labor into it nor buying any products out of it, the system itself would collapse, as would everything else that depends upon it, such as the illusory power of these elites. I think you may be overestimating their ego strength. Most all of them would collapse like a house of cards when they realized that the only values they had ever really placed upon themselves were of the financial "net worth" variety, and that sort of value had no value at all any more.
Originally posted by Northwarden
I did state that their system stands vulnerable, and by that I mean shapeable, and I should say through extraordinary means only since they have it so nailed down to mediocrity, smoke, and mirrors. The upper crust also exists in an old money environment which is entirely self-sufficient to the point of excess luxury. It's self-sufficient in the senses that it already has establishment and dominion, and exists above money in the circles of influence and great political sway. I'm saying they're adaptable and have the resources, not that those resources couldn't be somehow sealed away from them.
Perhaps, but life as it appears to us and as it appears in their eyes are many shifts in reality apart. We can imagine it's like that for them, but I doubt every richie rich of which we speak is soul-tied to their pocket-books. In fact, for many they are likely so over money concerns that it becomes annoying for them to hear how much the little man needs it, or fair treatment during his quest to get it.
I think the state-shifting they undertook would be incredible, as they traverse interests either side and make the best of a new situation. We're always so amazed by our survival mindsets, McGyverish abilities, and our rapid-transformation concepts as we adapt to see the world-state over our heads, so how about those with the power to make it happen, the resources to see it through, and the leverage to cover their behinds? I can only consider them as highly effective, manouverable, dangerous, and not-to-be-underestimated. If we could create an advanced simulator that brought to their heels a dozen huge scenarios that shook up their lives to the degree we describe, I imagine the house of cards falling might more closely resemble a triggering of hidden back-up and re-positioning plans. The actual problems we face would resemble an epidemologists efforts at eradicating, say, influenza in a country where the government casts it's extreme distrust on the administering care worker teams.
It's not just the infrastructure, it's also the ideology which the infrastructure relied on.
Originally posted by Androctonus
reply to post by vivalarevolution
An anarchy could dicrease and balance human population...