China claims they are number 1 and have overtaken the US

Originally posted by Johnze
reply to post by Advantage

 

Its fun to learn isnt it

Sure is.
Maybe you can provide examples as to how we run the world because the last I checked we cant even run ourselves or keep our economy afloat.

reply to post by Advantage


This is a pretty good place to start

en.wikipedia.org...

Wiki?? No thanks, I mean a real source with facts pointing out that we run the world that isnt opinion based.


Oh pfft. so I click on it and see the word history? Yes, as I suspected.. no evidence that we run the world. Considering we are only a few hundred years old, perhaps you need to look in another direction for who is runing the world if history wiki style is your idea of proof or evidence.

reply to post by Advantage


An opinion based on sources. You can infact refer to there sources you know.

Give it a read, you might learn something. I could have just linked you to the Encyclopedia Britannica, but essentialy its the same, an opinion or interpretation based on a collection of sources.

Sorry just trying to help you, if you dont like to learn, well your kinda on your own, especialy if you do not understand the implications of history in establlishing how the world actualy works.

OK Now I'm confused.

We have Advantage "Land of Lincoln" a supposed "American" arguing against the US being in control...

Then we have johnze using that great avatar arguing for it.


Have I missed something here?

I need another drink

reply to post by SLAYER69


Lol, as much as i despise and abhor how America goes about the busines of annihilating any country that doesnt open there trade markets to them. I do understand the reality in which we live. America runs things. Has done since WW2.

reply to post by Johnze



I hear ya but...

I also don't see that the US runs things really.
If anything we have been able to establish a certain level of homogeneity.

But I suppose many will appose that view as well because it represents pretty much a voluntary acceptance on their part vs a True form of Imperialism....

Most people don't want to face that reality IMO.

reply to post by SaturnFX


What are you talking about? While they pollute and poison themselves?

I swear to you there going to have a huge surplus in cancer in the next 10-20 years. Their life expectancy is going to be lower. Do you know how much pollution they put into our air? These are sick people!! They are killing the earth.

reply to post by SLAYER69


People can't use a jarred loughner avatar but this guy can use a jihad avatar? That is sick

Originally posted by SLAYER69
OK Now I'm confused.

We have Advantage "Land of Lincoln" a supposed "American" arguing against the US being in control...

Then we have johnze using that great avatar arguing for it.

Have I missed something here?

I need another drink

Yes.. its madness I tells ya!!

Im feeling conspiracy-like tonight... and while donning my tinfoil hat for a moment its a pretty bold statement to make that we run the world when IMO many of us believe that the Vatican and the folks who hold power now after King George have always run the show. Being the dog of war doesnt make us the ruler of the world.

China is being raped just like the rest of the planet. They have just been temporarily bamboozled by the banksters. The good people of China better wake up and see this wholesale pillaging of their country for what it is.

Go ahead and listen to the corporations. The intense, totally inhuman, industrialization has far outpaced their ability to remove the waste products. They are pooping all over themselves for temporary "stimulus".

reply to post by Advantage


Meh tryin to right me off as some sort of conspiracy nut is pretty bad form i personaly do not try to defame anyone with slander, id much prefer to discuss the topic at hand, but if thats how you have to debate, so be it.

Now look, if you want to have a debate on this subject, id be more than happy too, i can discuss free trade, the IMF, NATO, U.N, Europe and more or less any other aspect of international relations and geo politics all night long, but ill try and make this as obvious as possible.

www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_1

This is more or less an encyclopedia concerning how America has asserted itself as the most dominant, powerful state in the history of our planet, everything in there is totaly factual, it contains information anyone can find, even yourself. Theres is no nation, absolutely none that can compete with America when it comes down to it, they essentialy have the power to obliterate any nation of the face of the earth literaly in a matter of minutes.

NOW i understand the American economy is infact in dire straits, and is seeking what is essentialy economic aid from China, however this does not in anyway shape or form alter the fact America is still the worlds only true superpower

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
The intense, totally inhuman, industrialization has far outpaced their ability to remove the waste products. They are pooping all over themselves for temporary "stimulus".

LOL! While Ive never heard a more... err.. interesting way of describing it, IMO youre spot on!

I dont know, I certainly dont claim to know everything and sometimes take a stance just to discuss things, but Im really coming around to the idea that we are all destroying ourselves on purpose. The things we do or that china does make NO sense and then to play king of the hill over who has overtaken who is ridiculous. I really dont understand the goals or what the desired end result is to be honest. It doesnt seem to be success...

**shrug**

Or Ive chuged too much nyquil. Yes, Im poisoning myself in an effort to get better.. makes about as much sense as the china vs us pissing contest.

Originally posted by Johnze
reply to post by Advantage

 

Meh tryin to right me off as some sort of conspiracy nut is pretty bad form i personaly do not try to defame anyone with slander, id much prefer to discuss the topic at hand, but if thats how you have to debate, so be it.

Uhm... defame and slander ( actually libel) ??? I was talking about myself wearing a tinfoil hat and not you.. I have no idea what your problem is but thats why Im not being sucked into a "debate". You attribute things to me that Im not even saying.

reply to post by Advantage


lol righty ho then, again though, just take the time to educate yourself a little about the world stage and the history of it, really cant stress that enough. It will basicaly do you the world of good knowing what your talking about. Anyway, happy to help.

Originally posted by filosophia
www.washingtontimes.com...

The article went on to boast how "China's emergence is increasingly shifting to debate over how the world will treat China, which is the world No. 1 and has overtaken the U.S."

A story like this does not appear by accident in the official Chinese Communist Party newspaper on the eve of a state visit to the world's (current) No. 1 power, the United States.

While Obama is bowing to China, the tightly controlled newspapers of China are saying they have overtaken the US and are now number 1. So why is Obama groveling to them when they are not showing the least bit of respect to the US?

(if this thread is already posted feel free to delete).

Not according to the CIA Factbook, at least with respect to GDP:

"Country Comparison :: GDP (purchasing power parity)"

"This entry gives the gross domestic product (GDP) or value of all final goods and services produced within a nation in a given year. A nation's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) exchange rates is the sum value of all goods and services produced in the country valued at prices prevailing in the United States. This is the measure most economists prefer when looking at per-capita welfare and when comparing living conditions or use of resources across countries. The measure is difficult to compute, as a US dollar value has to be assigned to all goods and services in the country regardless of whether these goods and services have a direct equivalent in the United States (for example, the value of an ox-cart or non-US military equipment); as a result, PPP estimates for some countries are based on a small and sometimes different set of goods and services. In addition, many countries do not formally participate in the World Bank's PPP project that calculates these measures, so the resulting GDP estimates for these countries may lack precision. For many developing countries, PPP-based GDP measures are multiples of the official exchange rate (OER) measure. The differences between the OER- and PPP-denominated GDP values for most of the wealthy industrialized countries are generally much smaller. "


Rank country GDP (purchasing power parity) Date of Information

1 European Union $ 14,890,000,000,000 2010 est.

2 United States $ 14,720,000,000,000 2010 est.

3 China $ 9,854,000,000,000 2010 est.

4 Japan $ 4,338,000,000,000 2010 est.

5 India $ 4,046,000,000,000 2010 est.

6 Germany $ 2,951,000,000,000 2010 est.

7 Russia $ 2,229,000,000,000 2010 est.

8 Brazil $ 2,194,000,000,000 2010 est.

9 United Kingdom $ 2,189,000,000,000 2010 est.

10 France $ 2,160,000,000,000 2010 est.

11 Italy $ 1,782,000,000,000 2010 est.

12 Mexico $ 1,560,000,000,000 2010 est.

13 Korea, South $ 1,467,000,000,000 2010 est.

14 Spain $ 1,374,000,000,000 2010 est.

15 Canada $ 1,335,000,000,000 2010 est.

16 Indonesia $ 1,033,000,000,000 2010 est.

17 Turkey $ 958,300,000,000 2010 est.

18 Australia $ 889,600,000,000 2010 est.

19 Iran $ 863,500,000,000 2010 est.

20 Taiwan $ 807,200,000,000 2010 est.

21 Poland $ 721,700,000,000 2010 est.

22 Netherlands $ 680,400,000,000 2010 est.

23 Saudi Arabia $ 622,500,000,000 2010 est.

24 Argentina $ 621,700,000,000 2010 est.

25 Thailand $ 580,300,000,000 2010 est.

26 South Africa $ 527,500,000,000 2010 est.

27 Egypt $ 500,900,000,000 2010 est.

28 Pakistan $ 451,200,000,000 2010 est.

29 Colombia $ 431,900,000,000 2010 est.

30 Malaysia $ 416,400,000,000 2010 est.

31 Belgium $ 394,900,000,000 2010 est.

32 Nigeria $ 369,800,000,000 2010 est.

33 Sweden $ 354,000,000,000 2010 est.

34 Philippines $ 351,200,000,000 2010 est.

35 Venezuela $ 344,200,000,000 2010 est.

36 Austria $ 332,900,000,000 2010 est.

37 Switzerland $ 326,900,000,000 2010 est.

38 Hong Kong $ 323,300,000,000 2010 est.

39 Greece $ 321,700,000,000 2010 est.

40 Ukraine $ 306,300,000,000 2010 est.

41 Singapore $ 292,200,000,000 2010 est.

42 Vietnam $ 278,100,000,000 2010 est.

43 Norway $ 276,400,000,000 2010 est.

44 Peru $ 274,700,000,000 2010 est.

45 Czech Republic $ 261,500,000,000 2010 est.

46 Chile $ 260,000,000,000 2010 est.

47 Bangladesh $ 259,300,000,000 2010 est.

48 Algeria $ 254,700,000,000 2010 est.

49 Romania $ 253,300,000,000 2010 est.

50 Portugal $ 247,000,000,000 2010 est.

51 Israel $ 217,100,000,000 2010 est.

52 Denmark $ 204,100,000,000 2010 est.

53 United Arab Emirates $ 199,800,000,000 2010 est.

54 Kazakhstan $ 193,800,000,000 2010 est.

55 Hungary $ 190,000,000,000 2010 est.

56 Finland $ 185,400,000,000 2010 est.

57 Ireland $ 174,000,000,000 2010 est.

58 Morocco $ 153,800,000,000 2010 est.

59 Kuwait $ 144,300,000,000 2010 est.

60 Belarus $ 128,400,000,000 2010 est.

61 Qatar $ 122,200,000,000 2010 est.

62 Slovakia $ 121,300,000,000 2010 est.

63 New Zealand $ 119,200,000,000 2010 est.

64 Iraq $ 117,700,000,000 2010 est.

65 Ecuador $ 114,700,000,000 2010 est.

66 Angola $ 114,100,000,000 2010 est.

67 Cuba $ 114,100,000,000 2010 est.

68 Syria $ 106,400,000,000 2010 est.

69 Sri Lanka $ 104,700,000,000 2010 est.

70 Tunisia $ 100,300,000,000 2010 est.

71 Sudan $ 98,790,000,000 2010 est.

72 Bulgaria $ 91,830,000,000 2010 est.

73 Azerbaijan $ 90,150,000,000 2010 est.

74 Libya $ 89,030,000,000 2010 est.

75 Uzbekistan $ 86,070,000,000 2010 est.

76 Dominican Republic $ 84,940,000,000 2010 est.

77 Ethiopia $ 84,020,000,000 2010 est.

78 Serbia $ 80,650,000,000 2010 est.

79 Croatia $ 78,520,000,000 2010 est.

80 Oman $ 76,530,000,000 2010 est.

81 Guatemala $ 70,310,000,000 2010 est.

82 Kenya $ 65,950,000,000 2010 est.

83 Puerto Rico $ 64,840,000,000 2010 est.

84 Tanzania $ 62,220,000,000 2010 est.

85 Yemen $ 61,880,000,000 2010 est.

86 Burma $ 60,070,000,000 2010 est.

87 Lebanon $ 58,650,000,000 2010 est.

88 Slovenia $ 56,810,000,000 2010 est.

89 Lithuania $ 56,220,000,000 2010 est.

90 Costa Rica $ 51,300,000,000 2010 est.

91 Bolivia $ 47,980,000,000 2010 est.

92 Uruguay $ 47,800,000,000 2010 est.

93 Cameroon $ 44,650,000,000 2010 est.

94 El Salvador $ 43,980,000,000 2010 est.

95 Panama $ 43,480,000,000 2010 est.

96 Uganda $ 41,700,000,000 2010 est.

97 Luxembourg $ 40,810,000,000 2010 est.

98 Korea, North $ 40,000,000,000 2009 est.

99 Ghana $ 38,240,000,000 2010 est.

100 Cote d'Ivoire $ 37,800,000,000 2010 est.

101 Turkmenistan $ 36,640,000,000 2010 est.

102 Nepal $ 35,310,000,000 2010 est.

103 Jordan $ 33,790,000,000 2010 est.

104 Honduras $ 33,770,000,000 2010 est.

105 Latvia $ 32,200,000,000 2010 est.

106 Paraguay $ 30,940,000,000 2010 est.

107 Bosnia and Herzegovina $ 30,560,000,000 2010 est.

108 Bahrain $ 29,820,000,000 2010 est.

109 Afghanistan $ 29,810,000,000 2010 est.

110 Cambodia $ 29,460,000,000 2010 est.

111 Trinidad and Tobago $ 27,100,000,000 2010 est.

112 Botswana $ 26,560,000,000 2010 est.

113 Equatorial Guinea $ 24,660,000,000 2010 est.

114 Estonia $ 24,530,000,000 2010 est.

115 Albania $ 23,950,000,000 2010 est.

116 Jamaica $ 23,930,000,000 2010 est.

117 Senegal $ 23,860,000,000 2010 est.

118 Cyprus $ 23,180,000,000 2010 est.

119 Congo, Democratic Republic of the $ 22,920,000,000 2010 est.

120 Gabon $ 22,540,000,000 2010 est.

121 Mozambique $ 22,190,000,000 2010 est.

122 Georgia $ 22,070,000,000 2010 est.

123 Madagascar $ 20,730,000,000 2010 est.

124 Burkina Faso $ 20,060,000,000 2010 est.

125 Zambia $ 20,030,000,000 2010 est.

126 Brunei $ 19,880,000,000 2010 est.

127 Macedonia $ 19,460,000,000 2010 est.

128 Chad $ 18,560,000,000 2010 est.

129 Macau $ 18,470,000,000 2009 est.

130 Mauritius $ 17,490,000,000 2010 est.

131 Congo, Republic of the $ 17,450,000,000 2010 est.

132 Nicaragua $ 17,340,000,000 2010 est.

133 Armenia $ 17,270,000,000 2010 est.

134 Mali $ 16,740,000,000 2010 est.

135 Laos $ 15,420,000,000 2010 est.

136 Papua New Guinea $ 14,930,000,000 2010 est.

137 Namibia $ 14,640,000,000 2010 est.

138 Tajikistan $ 14,610,000,000 2010 est.

139 Benin $ 14,200,000,000 2010 est.

140 Malawi $ 13,510,000,000 2010 est.

141 West Bank $ 12,790,000,000 2009 est.

142 Iceland $ 11,860,000,000 2010 est.

143 Kyrgyzstan $ 11,850,000,000 2010 est.

144 Rwanda $ 11,840,000,000 2010 est.

145 Haiti $ 11,180,000,000 2010 est.

146 Guinea $ 10,600,000,000 2010 est.

147 Moldova $ 10,600,000,000 2010 est.

148 Niger $ 10,580,000,000 2010 est.

149 Malta $ 10,210,000,000 2010 est.

150 Mongolia $ 10,160,000,000 2010 est.

151 Bahamas, The $ 8,878,000,000 2010 est.

152 Mauritania $ 6,800,000,000 2010 est.

153 Montenegro $ 6,569,000,000 2010 est.

154 Barbados $ 6,196,000,000 2010 est.

155 Swaziland $ 6,055,000,000 2010 est.

156 Togo $ 5,927,000,000 2010 est.

157 Somalia $ 5,896,000,000 2010 est.

158 Kosovo $ 5,300,000,000 2008

159 Jersey $ 5,100,000,000 2005 est.

160 Guyana $ 5,069,000,000 2010 est.

161 Sierra Leone $ 4,812,000,000 2010 est.

162 Suriname $ 4,794,000,000 2010 est.

163 French Polynesia $ 4,718,000,000 2004 est.

164 Bermuda $ 4,500,000,000 2004 est.

165 Zimbabwe $ 4,395,000,000 2010 est.

166 Andorra $ 4,220,000,000 2008

167 Eritrea $ 4,178,000,000 2010 est.

168 Liechtenstein $ 4,160,000,000 2007

169 Fiji $ 3,792,000,000 2010 est.

170 Bhutan $ 3,526,000,000 2010 est.

171 Central African Republic $ 3,468,000,000 2010 est.

172 Burundi $ 3,418,000,000 2010 est.

173 Gambia, The $ 3,406,000,000 2010 est.

174 Lesotho $ 3,310,000,000 2010 est.

175 New Caledonia $ 3,158,000,000 2003 est.

176 Timor-Leste $ 3,004,000,000 2010 est.

177 Curacao $ 2,838,000,000 2008 est.

178 Netherlands Antilles $ 2,800,000,000 2004 est.

179 Guernsey $ 2,742,000,000 2005

180 Isle of Man $ 2,719,000,000 2005 est.

181 Belize $ 2,652,000,000 2010 est.

182 Aruba $ 2,258,000,000 2005 est.

183 Cayman Islands $ 2,250,000,000 2008 est.

184 Djibouti $ 2,099,000,000 2010 est.

185 Greenland $ 2,030,000,000 2008 est.

186 Seychelles $ 1,908,000,000 2010 est.

187 Cape Verde $ 1,861,000,000 2010 est.

188 Saint Lucia $ 1,789,000,000 2010 est.

189 Guinea-Bissau $ 1,769,000,000 2010 est.

190 Maldives $ 1,767,000,000 2010 est.

191 Liberia $ 1,760,000,000 2010 est.

192 San Marino $ 1,662,000,000 2007

193 Faroe Islands $ 1,642,000,000 2008 est.

194 Virgin Islands $ 1,577,000,000 2004 est.

195 Solomon Islands $ 1,559,000,000 2010 est.

196 Antigua and Barbuda $ 1,433,000,000 2010 est.

197 Vanuatu $ 1,216,000,000 2010 est.

198 Grenada $ 1,127,000,000 2010 est.

199 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines $ 1,107,000,000 2010 est.

200 Gibraltar $ 1,106,000,000 2006 est.

201 Samoa $ 1,002,000,000 2010 est.

202 Monaco $ 976,300,000 2006 est.

203 Mayotte $ 953,600,000 2005 est.

204 Northern Mariana Islands $ 900,000,000 2000 est.

205 Western Sahara $ 900,000,000 2007 est.

206 British Virgin Islands $ 853,400,000 2004 est.

207 Sint Maarten $ 794,700,000 2008 est.

208 Comoros $ 789,400,000 2010 est.

209 Tonga $ 767,000,000 2010 est.

210 Dominica $ 765,400,000 2010 est.

211 Saint Kitts and Nevis $ 719,500,000 2010 est.

212 Kiribati $ 619,500,000 2010 est.

213 American Samoa $ 575,300,000 2007 est.

214 Sao Tome and Principe $ 316,900,000 2010 est.

215 Micronesia, Federated States of $ 238,100,000 2008 est.

216 Turks and Caicos Islands $ 216,000,000 2002 est.

217 Cook Islands $ 183,200,000 2005 est.

218 Anguilla $ 175,400,000 2009 est.

219 Palau $ 164,000,000 2008 est.

220 Marshall Islands $ 133,500,000 2008 est.

221 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) $ 105,100,000 2002 est.

222 Nauru $ 60,000,000 2005 est.

223 Wallis and Futuna $ 60,000,000 2004 est.

224 Saint Pierre and Miquelon $ 48,300,000 2003 est.

225 Montserrat $ 29,000,000 2002 est.

226 Saint Helena, Ascension, and Tristan da Cunha $ 18,000,000 1998 est.

227 Tuvalu $ 14,940,000 2002 est.

228 Niue $ 10,010,000 2003 est.

229 Tokelau $ 1,500,000 1993 est.


Source: www.cia.gov... States&countryCode=us®ionCode=na&rank=2#us

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Originally posted by Johnze
reply to post by Advantage

 

lol righty ho then, again though, just take the time to educate yourself a little about the world stage and the history of it, really cant stress that enough. It will basicaly do you the world of good knowing what your talking about. Anyway, happy to help.

I have taken time to educate myself and know of your stance on it, youre not unique in your opinion. My opinion may be different than yours and it is arrogant to assume I am uneducated because our opinions differ.

America is #1 in innovation. We invent everything! Plus great movies and music! Yay, we're #1, we're #1! Actually, we are pretty much trend setters in tech and entertainment...we just don't make "things" so much anymore. We just invent them!

reply to post by Advantage


Nah man, its not because your opinion differs, its soley down to the fact you essentialy cannot discuss your opinion with any great depth, indicating a lack of knoweledge. This is why i am eager for debate, not because i get to prove my point without a shadow of a doubt, i personaly think that would be kinda weird, but because i might get to learn something new from another perspective.

But ill be honest man, could be wrong, i dunno, i got the impression id pretty much just be pwning you with sources you dont understand concerning ideas you find hard to grasp and id essentialy be wasting my time. And we cant have that, nope nope nope.

Oh and to the crazy man who is bombarding me with private messages about my Avatar, you sir, are madder than a sack of owls.

Saying that China is not showing respect to the US because a press article talks about China becoming n°1 from their point of view is maybe a little exagerrated, no ?
I'd rather not imagine the reaction if the article was actually critical of the USA.

I presume the american free press has took advantage of the summit to inflate the yellow peril lately, am I wrong ?

Fortunately, we are intelligent and rational people and these tricks don't work on us anymore...