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Originally posted by joechip
I think what some may be missing here is the idea that while seeming fixed, reality is indeed fixed BY perception. In other words, at a fundamental level, there is no objective "reality."
Originally posted by Zagari
reply to post by joechip
Our brain limits us, but why? Will somebody ever be able to answer this question?
"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
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Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.
an excerpt
If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.
If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.
Next, by Ervin Laszlo
Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
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And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
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Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.
In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".
Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:
[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."
an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything
Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."
Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.
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According to James Oroc's experiences (Tryptamine Palace), when the ego is dissolved in consciousness through the temporary formation of a type of neurological "Bose Einstein Condensate", there is no real dilineation or distinction between individual consciousness and God-consciousness or the universal "akashic field" (Lazslo) aka Zero Point Field.
Originally posted by Wally898
Great topic and impressive amount of information you have gathered.
This must have taken some time! I will have to re-read and look for some sources, it has got my interest piqued.
Thanks
P&L
linguistic object is a rather undiscerning metaphor
Originally posted by davidgrouchy
linguistic object is a rather undiscerning metaphor
From your book.
I find this language no where in the original post.
Please substantiate your claims that the original post was lifted from you book.
David Grouchyedit on 27-1-2011 by davidgrouchy because: spelling
Science is and always has been a philosophy (see Scientism), infact it was first called "Natural Philosophy". The problem of science is its need to find problems to be solved, but in this respect science is chasing it's tail and wherever it looks it will always find problems. The place it rarely (if ever) looks at is not out there, but within it's own epistemological and ontological foundations. Science is stuck within tautology
Modern science is and always has been a philosophical affair, it originates from Scientism which arose from Natural Philosophy. The problem of science is its need to find problems to be solved, but in this respect science is chasing it's proverbial tail and wherever it looks it will always find problems as the universe pulls away from the observer. The place science rarely (if ever) looks at is not out there, but within it's own epistemological and ontological foundations. Science is stuck within tautology, perhaps we all are, philosophy is game that cannot be won/one. Science is not governed by facts, it is governed by paradigms which is essentially a move from one belief system to another, paradigms are culturally constructed, not discovered. Likewise Issac Newton did not discover the law of gravity, he imposed it. Something must be named before it can be discovered.
Science is and always has been a philosophy (see Scientism), infact it was first called "Natural Philosophy". The problem of science is its need to find problems to be solved, but in this respect science is chasing it's tail and wherever it looks it will always find problems. The place it rarely (if ever) looks at is not out there, but within it's own epistemological and ontological foundations. Science is stuck within tautology
Science is and always has been a philosophy (see Scientism), infact it was first called "Natural Philosophy". The problem of science is its need to find problems to be solved, but in this respect science is chasing it's tail and wherever it looks it will always find problems. The place it rarely (if ever) looks at is not out there, but within it's own epistemological and ontological foundations. Science is stuck within tautology (perhaps we all are, what can I say that has not already been said somewhere else? Am I not just a signpost to another signpost? Don't look at me, look at you!). Immanuel Kant said that we cannot possibly see the noumenal world, the world in and of itself, we only see our personal version, our interpretation of a reality that is "out there".
Originally posted by Zagari
reply to post by NewAgeMan
The whole process of externalizing our perception when we are trying to define something generally, the whole process of " being the spectator of a phenomena " is the problem.
We have to detouch from the whole to define it. But, fact is, we are part of that whole and no distance exists. There is no distance between our minds and nature.