KY proposes smoking ban in cars with kids

Originally posted by PoorFool
I think this is a good idea regardless of whether second-hand smoking is bad or not (it is).

If you put smoking before the health of your kids, you don't deserve to be a parent.

You're making it much more likely for your children to pick up the nasty habit.

It's more dangerous to feed ya kid wrong fast food junk food and sugary drink's.

Yet i dont see you fighting to strip everyone rights away on that.


And the math on 2nd hand smoke it TOTAL bullcrap and you know it.
The smoke a guy breathes in becomes suicide gas when it come out....LOL
Prove the math right..actually sit down and do the math .
i have..not base don the math of bullshyt show.
and i am telling you it's all nothing but pure crap.
Do it and prove me wrong.

I think it is a good idea for the law.I really don't know why some people smoke in cars with children in the back and put their children's health at riskIt really makes me mad people smoking in cars its digusting I applaud their effort to enforce this law it will really make a difference in the end.So people over there suck up the new law and get other it quit complaining about it.Itwon't make any difference in the end

Once again, the freedom police strike again. If it is unhealthy it will be illegal. Down with communism.

even though passing this through would open up more restrictions in other various venues or places, I feel it's something that should be taken as stance anyways, same with those who drive after consuming alcohol or drugs with children in the car, just a ignorant attitude that some cannot see as possibly being harmful in any way whatsoever.

They already have this law in parts of Australia

When it comes to government funded or ran information for the good of the people, we should look at such with the eyes of skeptics. It is well known that most government studies often paint only the picture that it wants to paint, failing to take into account what those who disagree with it will state. This is very true in the US federal government, as they often cause more problems with their studies, than they actually solve. Make no mistake, these are the same scientist that once stated sugar will give you cancer, yet at the same time, the conclusions they came to were wrong, as they made mistakes in the actual experiment. They fed rats sugar and when they developed cancer, pointed to it as proof. The truth came out that what a person would have to consume in the way of sugar, was like about 4 pounds every day for about 10 years. This is the same government that states, we should be careful of the sun, due to skin cancer, but then looks and wonders why there is a sharp rise in vitamin D deficiency, and the very same government that declared that carbon dioxide was a toxic gas and bad for the environment, when every elementary school child with basic biology knows that carbon dioxide is what plants require to grow. That being said, there are some things that need to be stated:
The people need to reject this measure and call their representative, not cause it is a bad measure, but it intrudes in areas that it should not and opens a dangerous door that it should not. Parents need to be parents, and there has to be a point where it is to invasive of a law. In this case, it is goes into the privacy of everyone in the state of Kentucky. Parents need to start being parents and stop letting the state dictate to them on how to raise their child. It should not be some government agency that comes in and says you can not do something around your child, or that you can not let your child eat this or that. They already have started to do that in many states. How many people remember, when they were in elementary school, with having a party in their class, where cake and cookies were handed out. That is now a thing of the past. More and more states are seeking to shield the children from the woes of scraped knees and being able to take risks, that they would have to in life. This is something that should not be allowed or permitted. Life is a risk, we take it every day, simply by getting up and going to work. This law will open a door into the private lives and homes of people to where the government can come in and start governing the very thing it can not, personal choice. Right now it is what goes on in a car, with a parent and a child, but the question must be, how long till it is no longer a car, what about say a yard? Would you be willing to accept a ticket for doing something in your yard that you always have done? What about the front room in your house? Or even your bedroom? How about where you worship or choose to go to church, would you be content to let the state in there, telling you what you can and can not worship or to allow or not allow your child to attend religious services with you? The government is sneaky that way, and woe be to anyone who trusts them not to do such. The old saying, give and inch and take a mile, very much applies to government in all aspects. Too many laws right now are controling what you are able to do, and even where you can go. (Try flying these days, refuse the screening and you can not fly.) Some laws are for the safety of all, but when it starts to get personal, like dictating what you can and can not do infront of your child, how to raise your child, even what you can feed your child, this it starts to go too far.

Originally posted by TheAmused
Explain to me how it is any different then?
Non smoker's have stripped my Right's away little by little by little.
To the point i have to leave my place of employment's premise's to even smoke.
But your allowed to dip all day...
ironic isn't it?

Don't know, but I'm sure 'dipping' has no affect on the people around them. You're saying that you have the right to effectively blow tobacco smoke into a childs face.

and as I said, I was on the fence, but as soon as you start equating your right to stink others air up, you're treated like a black person.

That, I'm afraid, is a load of crap.

And I smoke.

None smoker's are allowed to tell me as if there are a BETTER class of people...Where i can smoke when i can smoke and how much i can smoke a day.

Here's a comparison - urination is a natural function of the body, smoking isn't. Yet you get arrested if you piss in public. Gee, more intolerance........

Am i allowed to tell non smoker's they are only allowed 1 bigmac a week?

If your big mac somehow slips apart and stuffs itself into others, causing them to inhale quantities of fat, then ... are you even reading your own posts?

or they get fined
Or am i allowed to tell them giving soda pop to there kid's is wrong..and hurting them for life..maybe call social services on the and fine them for it?

Same as above.. You're basically abusing the argument to win it, and it's not working.

The point is i am a HUMAN BEING with the same right as you..
If i want to have a restaurant that allow's smoker's that should be my right to choose i OWN the place.

I agree. How does this relate to the op?

There for prove's my point it is discrimination to not allow smoker's if the restaurant owner deems they can.
If non smoker's do not like the smoke..The door is right there...use it.
But if i go to a restaurant that is smoke free ..i do not light up to piss you off i DONT SMOKE.
Its called common curtsy.

Something non smoker's seem to know nothing about these day's.

But yes we are discriminated against no different than black people in the old day's.
Prove me wrong is it's BS Try

And blah blah blah, you ignore the topic and rant on about your rights.

I smoke at home, around no one.

As a child growing up I was forced to inhale tobacco from my parents in the car on the way to and home from school.

I HAD NO CHOICE.

I choose not to do that to others, but you're grasping at arguments that are not even on topic to throw the "Oh Im treated like a slave" in order to win.

Baloney.

"KY proposes smoking ban in cars with kids"

NOT

"KY will arrest you if you smoke, full stop"

bah..

Originally posted by TheAmused

Originally posted by SNAFU38
Thats been the law here in Australia for a while & theres no problems with it.

Seriously, if you cant make that tiny sacrifice for your kids health something is wrong.

You are flat brain dead no offense.

No real need to read any more than this.

You think it's your right to pollute anothers air space.

Let me tell you, if I don't want to breathe your smoke, and I am in a position to be FREE of it, I will damn well tell you to sod off and if you don't it would get nasty.

In your OWN space, fine. But when children are involved -

lets think... parents who abuse illegal drugs get ostracised if they even have an implement NEAR children.

youd agree with this, no? Most sane people would.

Yet you think you have the right to inflict toxic smoke on a child if they happen to be yours.

as I said, I do NOT agree with smoking bans.

But common sense says you do not want a kid inhaling toxins. If you choose to do so in the confines of YOUR own defined area and not affect others, fine. Thats OUR choice.

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I hate the state interfering in our lives, but at the same time, I feel sorry for kids born to parents so ignorant and narcissistic that they smoke with their kids in the car.
Of course, if we ban smoking in cars, next it will be in the home. Then it will be no junk food in the car, no chemicals in the home, etc....

Just give children of smokers the right to sue their parents for second-hand smoke inhalation when they turn 18. I would be infuriated if my parents had exposed me to that crap, and I had no choice in the matter.

Cigarettes are poison. Anyone who smokes is an idiot.

reply to post by badw0lf


lol smokers blowing smoke in your face?
If they are in a smoke area with smoke fan's...why would a non smoker go in there to complain?
to be a prick is why PERIOD.

and for smoking in a car.
you driving down the road at 55 MILES PER HOUR...you have the windows down....
you realize even with you smoking the air is cleaner than if let them walk from the car into walmart.

Face it this is just another shytty law made up by dumb over controlling people who think they know what is best for you and your family.
And you know it.

And you know by allowing this law to pass in kentucky...it will grab hold in more state's..
then it will turn into your not allowed to smoke in your own home.
Then they will say it is not good parenting to drink at home around your children..it causes them to drink later in life and become alcoholic's..
Yes it will keep going this way till all of the control freak's get there way.

Then YOU tell me how smoker's are not discriminated against?
when they clearly are.

Originally posted by TheAmused


If this pass's and my fellow Kentuckians stand for this crap.
i will riot i will loot!!!!
I am sick of this Police crap.
If you want to make smoking illegal stop selling the dang thing's PERIOD!!!!
I can go up to the bar here drink 4 beer's and drive home.
But heaven forbid i smoke a cigarette with my kid in the car after i drunk the 4 beer's.

I am sick of people trying to tell me AKA average citizen WTF i can do in my own home or car.
and once you dumb ignorant non-smoker's realize you gave them the right to start going after you and your fast food...sugar drink's..and make it illegal if u give sugar to your kid's.
I will laugh and then kick you NONE smoker's right smack dab in the teeth.
lol

www.kltv.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Really? You willingly expose your children to a known carcinogen?
You sound pretty angry. Reign it in a bit. Nobody is stopping you from smoking outright, just in places where there are people who don't have a choice about it.

Maybe you should lay off it for a bit and then you may realise the hold this drug has over you and you might not be as angry?


For the record. I am a smoker and have been for over twenty years. however, I respect the fact that there are people who don't smoke and I try to be considerate. My world hasn't caved in, in fact, I have more control over my addiction now.

I wish I hadn't started, as the stopping is the difficult part, and I really don't like Big Business making money off people's weaknesses.

Maybe you could read "How the Rich are Destroying the Earth" by Herve Kempf, while you're at it, but you probably won't be able to see the message and paint it as 'Socialist' propaganda!

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Kids should not be smoked around. Period. If you are in your car alone, puff away, but it takes a total idiot to do it in a car with a child.

Edit to add: I started smoking 43 yrs ago. There were no warnings about what it would do to you, instead there were ads to make you think you would be perkier, sexier, ect.

I was introduced to ciggarettes by my parents. The smell would fill the house each morning as we were getting up to go to school. I liked the smell. I was very interested in what they were doing, so I snuck their cigs and started smoking. By the time they found out I was 13. I was only 7 when I started. Just wanted to put that out there because aside from second hand smoke, there is the influence that adults have on kids.

Originally posted by TheAmused

Originally posted by SNAFU38
Thats been the law here in Australia for a while & theres no problems with it.

Seriously, if you cant make that tiny sacrifice for your kids health something is wrong.

You are flat brain dead no offense.
You have been hand fed BS statistic's for so long you got no idea.
The truth is and its a FACT..
1:80,000 die from lung cancer due to second hand smoke later in life.
1:100,000 die from lung cancer and never been around second hand smoke.

It's bullcrap math.
watch this video.
If you can't handle the truth so be it.

As pen and teller tell's you it's all BULLSHYT!!!!
the math is wrong PERIOD.

www.scumdoctor.com...

Some researches claim that more than 300,000 Americans are dying due to obesity every year and the number is rising annually.

WOW give ya kid's more fast food and pop!!!!
But you smoker's need fined and social services called on ya lol

Check your facts, Pen & Teller show is exactly what its name says, the show IS BS. Second hand smoke, ANY smoke, IS bad, FACT. Ask any fireman. If you are so selfish you cant make a 10 minute car trip without a smoke, you need help, especially if it is for the sake of innocent people.

I smoke at home, & I go to the length of ensuring MY smoke doesnt even go near my birds. Even if it is bad maths, is it worth the chance ??

If people have so much difficulty using common sense & basic courtesy in considering those around them, Im glad I am nowhere near you.

If a child was playing with a sealed bottle of acid, would you stop it ?? Any normal person would say yes. Chances are the kid wont get it open, BUT, there is a chance. If you care so little about your kids, just for the sake of opposing the government (& Im just as unhappy with mine if you check my last thread), you shouldnt have kids. Maybe it isnt a guarantee the kid will suffer, but if theres even the slightest chance, swallow some pride, grow up & make that tiny sacrifice for the kids.

As for my brain being dead, Id put it up against yours any day. Im not the one quoting BS stats, thats you !

I disagree with most decisions government makes, but I'm smart enough not to let a desire to oppose their every word get in the way of basic common sense.

Originally posted by TheAmused
reply to post by badw0lf

 

lol smokers blowing smoke in your face?
If they are in a smoke area with smoke fan's...why would a non smoker go in there to complain?
to be a prick is why PERIOD.

Look you illiterate idiot, I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT HERE.

FFs, learn to bloody read...

and for smoking in a car.
you driving down the road at 55 MILES PER HOUR...you have the windows down....
you realize even with you smoking the air is cleaner than if let them walk from the car into walmart.

Ahh So it's ok to intoxicate your kid then. right.

pfft.

Face it this is just another shytty law made up by dumb over controlling people who think they know what is best for you and your family.
And you know it.

And you know by allowing this law to pass in kentucky...it will grab hold in more state's..
then it will turn into your not allowed to smoke in your own home.
Then they will say it is not good parenting to drink at home around your children..it causes them to drink later in life and become alcoholic's..
Yes it will keep going this way till all of the control freak's get there way.

Then YOU tell me how smoker's are not discriminated against?
when they clearly are.

Im not discriminated against, and I smoke, but then I don't want to bloody well smoke around people who dislike it. Simple.

You're the sort who'd do it to spite people.

Enough of you, this thread is pointless arguing with you, you're a miscreant. It's people like you who force these god damned laws. WELL DONE.

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You got to be the biggest idiot i have ever seen try to troll.

How the heck would smoking a cigarette in a 'WELL VENTILATED' window's 'ROLLED DOWN'
car going '55 MILE PER HOUR' wind blowing in there face's hurt a 17 year old kid?
You realize in 1 more year it's OK....for them to die for your country and you...but heaven forbid they smell smoke...WTF man i burn wood for heat...IT SMOKE'S ALOT!!! i burn coal too..
do my neighbor's complain they are getting cancer lol
hellz no..
Not one time in 35 year's has a person said im alergic to your smoke sir lol
please stop burning wood and coal.lol

Your whole argument is stupid and Politically correct..
I myself raise ,MY family I SEE fit.
Not by what you say or what this corrupt arse government says.

People have been smoking for hundreds of year's ..tobacco that is
and until snotty people got a little control in politics
and control monger's this was never a problem.


You know as good as me it wouldn't hurt them no more than we have a chance of a alien race visiting us from space.

typical poster of a typical person who want's to control every aspect of my faking life and everyone they deem un healthy or unclean or just plain not them.
So yeah ..
be gone lol
If you can't handle the truth ..Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!



i have apparently fell in some alternate universe here...

reply to post by SNAFU38


Look do not take what i say the wrong way here.
But the law is stripping away my right's..

Yes you claim it might hurt my kid..CLAIM...it has never NEVER been proven 100% because they can't prove it.

1:80000 people die of lung cancer from 2nd hand smoke.
www.funny2.com...

Odds of spotting a UFO today: 3,000,000 to 1
Chance of dying from any kind of injury during the next year: 1 in 1,820
Chance of dying from intentional self-harm: 1 in 9,380
Chance of dying from an assault: 1 in 16,421
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666
Chance of dying from accidental drowning: 1 in 79,065
Chance of dying from exposure to smoke, fire, and flames: 1 in 81,524
Chance of dying in an explosion: 1 in 107,787
Chance that Earth will experience a catastrophic collision with an asteroid in the next 100 years: 1 in 5,000 Chance of dying in such a collision: 1 in 20,000

My point is FACT wise it's more dangerous for my kid to even walk outside that is a FACT.
compared to me smoking around them.
wiki.answers.com...

* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day. * 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions. * 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions. * 115 children were the victims of "stereotypical" kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.) Read more: wiki.answers.com...

So how am i unfit or do not love my kid's?
i know the odd's and i know the math.
they are just as likely to get kid napped playing outside.
Or die by other way's.
Way before If it every happens by lung cancer.

And i will stick to the claim...
Driving a car at 55 mph...with windows down..wind blowing in my kid's face at 55 mph..there is no way any smoke at all is hurting my child in any way shape or form.

I've smoked for 22 years,do i smoke in the car with my 4 and 9 year old ? hell no,even before it became a law in my state,i don't smoke in the house either,funny people complain their rights are being trodden on by this law, but have no concern about trampling a young child's right to clean air,hypocritical ? just a bit i think,

Poor poor big tobacco companies got screwed over ,smoking is not bad for ones health,LMFAO that is the wildest conspiracy i have ever heard, damn the asbestos industry was set up as well,

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i am not making my kid's suffer.
I am sick and tired of this tired old diatribe.

CHANCE CHANCE CHANCE
they have a bigger chance of getting hit by a car...Should i not allow them to go outside anymore sir?

www.flatrock.org.nz...

Tornado (incl also in Natural Forces) 1-in-60,000

Snake, Bee or other Venomous Bite or Sting 1-in-100,000

And people who raise bee's and have children are unfit parent's.
and raise snake's...i am calling social services right now.
the odd's of dying buy a natural force is as high as lung cancer..

You got to see my point here...
I never said i smoke around my kid's..
I said if i wanted to..i have a right..if it's in my home and my car...i OWN them.....
They are my children to raise as i see fit.
It is not abuse..NOR has it ever been in the entire existence of cigarettes been called abuse to smoke with kid's present.
TO label as such now after what 1500 years or more is flat absurd dont you think?

All i am saying is...
1990 i was smoking no one every said sir can you not smoke while we are trying to eat.
1995 came they asked me not to smoke in restaurant's.. so i didn't...
2000 came they banned restaurant owner's and shop's bar's the right to choose if there patron smoke or not.
2010 came they ban smoking in car's with kid's present.
2015 they will ban you from smoking in your own home with children resident.

But not a soul her care's if dad or mom drink's beer or whine every day in front of there kid's.
Should we ban sale's of alcohol ?
Or just make it illegal for parents to drink around there kid's?
it teaches them its ok to drink..daddy drink's 3 beers at the bar every night before he come home hunny...

So i just do not get this whole crap it's abuse.
sorry i dont.

reply to post by TheAmused


We have the same laws in place in some states in Australia .

It' s a good idea .

Apart from health reasons , it also stops your car becoming stinky

Pull over and stop for 5 minutes , if you have to ....

you can babble on your mobile at the same time !

Originally posted by TheAmused

Originally posted by SNAFU38
Thats been the law here in Australia for a while & theres no problems with it.

Seriously, if you cant make that tiny sacrifice for your kids health something is wrong.

You are flat brain dead no offense.
You have been hand fed BS statistic's for so long you got no idea.

I think you're brain dead... no offense.

It's law in a few Canadian provinces as well, as is smoking in public places like restaurants or bars. Definitely cleaned up the breathing supply a bit. To say second-hand smoke is healthy is just ridiculous and no kid should be forced to breathe that crap in during their developmental stages.