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Originally posted by unityemissionsBack to people discussing "ascension" when really what seems to be going on is illness/slight psychosis, I think it could be as you said, some sort of psyops to redirect people's thinking into becoming enlightened/superior beings.
Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Student X
That's all fine and dandy, but the shaman takes things like ayahuasca to get to this state, and it doesn't last for years. Two entirely different things, imo.edit on 12-1-2011 by unityemissions because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by Student X
You're not being logical whatsoever and I think deep down you know this to be true.
There is no sickness before taking the drugs.
The drugs bring about the sickness. The body repairs the sickness over time as the drugs wear off. Obviously, the causation of sickness is the toxic substances they take.
Originally posted by unityemissions
I'm not offended, I just think you're applying the term shaman initiation inappropriately. If Shamans are just schizophrenics who find solace in adapting a bizarre, nonsensical belief system and a culture that welcomes this spiritual nonsense, sure...whatever. I just thought that only some of the Shamans were unwell before being initiated, and the rest became unwell from the drug-induced visions their selves.
Originally posted by unityemissions
Shamans are not born, just like schizophrenics are not born.
They have a genetic propensity for the natural psychedelic experience. There is no shaman without the surrounding culture which engenders the beliefs which enable society to accept the abnormal individual. It's the same for the schizophrenic who has a culture which engenders the beliefs that leads a society to reject the abnormal individual. There are virtually no shamans in western civilization, just as there are virtually no schizophrenics in the Amazon rain forest.
What is known without a doubt is that rates of insanity, later referred to as schizophrenia, has increased drastically after the industrial revolution. There is correlation here, but causation is not established. It seems to transcend, although include, the physical component of toxicity as a result of industrialization.
The concern I have, is that people will use these spiritual beliefs to sidestep the reality that our ecosystem is being mucked up at ever increasing rates as time flows on.
I don't doubt that losing contact with our societal/cultural norms may benefit our species. I don't doubt that the schizophrenic/shaman is universally found among our species across the globe for any other reason that to help us out. What I find problem in is the use of these beliefs as a means to deny other aspects of reality.
I reject the thought process that many creative personalities have that destruction is just another path to creation. While this is true, I think many methods used to bring about this destruction is amoral and not of a benefit to our species overall.
I don't reject the shaman/schizophrenic, I reject the belief system many psychedelic voyagers use in order to cope with the insanity of the world instead of manning up and defeating these sources of evil head on. That's my delima with this whole "ascension" nonsense. It keeps us subservient by keeping us entertained, and thinking this is some sort of cleansing process, rather than the truth that we're, quite literally as SLAYER69 says, "swimming in our own filth".
Originally posted by Amaterasu
It occurred to me that if I was spraying chemtrails and wanted people to believe something good was happening to them as they exhibited symptoms of poisoning, this would be an awesome ruse.