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Originally posted by corsair00
reply to post by spacevisitor
however, a few of us have just offered "new" information about this that is worthy of attention.
Originally posted by corsair00
Again, it falls in line with information that Dr. Greer has shared in the book you have as an avatar.
Originally posted by corsair00
however, a few of us have just offered "new" information about this that is worthy of attention.
A remarkable event took place in late December of 1980.
A strange object was seen on the ground by a security police group at a joint Royal Air Force/U.S. Air Force base in England called Woodbridge.
As a guard at Woodbridge Base, an American named Larry Warren said that he saw a UFO land in the forest. Dozens of other military men and a few civilians saw it, too.
The commanding officer allegedly came out and interacted with the three occupants of the craft.
There is no doubt, based on the documents in the affair, and on the very extensive investigation conducted by Jenny Randies, Dot Street, and Brenda Butler—and published in their book Sky Crash (London: Neville Spearman, 1984)—that an extraordinary event did take place that night.
But far from being an actual UFO, it may simply have marked another step in the deception.
DELUSION OR DECEPTION?
The English investigators have presented convincing evidence that the various explanations offered to the public for the Bentwaters case— allegedly caused by the beam of a distant lighthouse and some bright stars—were utter rubbish.
The mechanism of the cover-up seems to be consistent—moving extremely rapidly, the intelligence agencies sweep all the evidence and, if necessary, secure the key witnesses.
If word of the event leaks out, the normal military chain of command operates to keep any controversial document out of public hands.
If that fails, then the intelligence agencies go into a confusion mode characterized by three simultaneous interventions:
1. They trot out their team of debunkers (astronomers, skeptics or "rationalists") who seize upon any available explanation; the more absurd the better.
2. They "oversell" the UFO explanation, always emphasizing the extraterrestrial interpretation. For example, if an object has been seen on the ground, they will make sure the media give prominence to the wild-eyed witness or the local contactee cult member who will claim that he has received a message for mankind, so that the entire affair is quickly blown out of proportion.
3. They start leaking some correct information to the investigators but mix it with confusing elements regarding the date, the time, and the identity of the witnesses.
All these elements are demonstrably present in the Bentwaters case, and they can be found in other military cases as well.
To me the most plausible theory is that the U.S. military has developed a device or a collection of devices that look like flying saucers, that they are primarily intended for psychological warfare, and that they are being actively tested on military personnel.
Originally posted by The GUT
If Warren was just a wanna be with a fictionalized tale, then the initial reports, the inconsistencies of the major players stories (Halt, Penniston, Burroughs) the subsequent hypnotic regressions of Penniston & Burroughs, and the ever-changing stories told by these three leave the case with little to stand on after all.
I don't like professional (serial) debunkers, but they may have got it right on this one.
Dr Christopher 'Kit' Green - "In a country that has a large, educated population there is a large subset of individuals who suffer from what's called paraphrenia. Paraphrenia is a form of mental illness that doesn't interfere with your everyday life. It means that you can have a delusion and not be crazy, a delusion that you can confine and control. Many of us have one corner of the mind that is delusional - I bet you that I do.
'I might, for example, be religious - I'm an Episcopalian, though as such, I am protected from diagnosis, as are all the UFO buffs, because a large social structure of shared beliefs, like a religion, cannot be a delusion. So all those people who believe that they are being beamed at by the government can no longer be diagnosed as crazy - there are just too many of them.
'But, if there is a condition that is threatening to the social structure - like the idea that the aliens are here and they are taking our babies, or that God hates people of a certain creed or colour - and if people who believe in that kind of delusion band together, they can end up encouraging each other to get a lot sicker, or they strap on belts and make themselves human bombs. So we have to know how to deal with these people and how to prevent them from being dangerous to others.
'This applies to the UFO problem. If something really strange in the area of UFOs is true, then what do we do about conveying that information to the public? First we consider what may be the basic facts: maybe there are civilised lifeforms elsewhere in the universe; maybe they visited us in their spaceships a couple of times and then went back home; perhaps they left a vehicle or some technology behind and we've spent a lot of time and money trying to figure out how to use it. And there may be people in the government who believe that this did happen, and believe that the information needs to be public knowledge, because perhaps someone outside of the government will be able to make sense of their technology. But there's another group of people in power who say, "No, it will make them sick to know all this, we can't let the story out, it's too dangerous." '
John and I glanced at each other. My mouth was dry. I felt the temperature drop. Or was it rising? I wasn't sure. Things were getting strange again. Did Kit just tell us that these things happened? Was that a hypothetical scenario he had just presented us with, or one that he believed to be real? Kit continued.
'So, what do we do? There are studies on both sides of the problem. Some show that people will go crazy and jump of bridges when they're presented with this information. Others, however, say that if you don't want them to go crazy, what you do is systematically desensitize their fears.
'If you are a psychiatrist with a patient you can do that in a very methodical way. If you are a sociologist working with a group of students at a university you can do this in a very structured and experimental way. But if you are a government with a population it's a lot more complicated. Sure, there are those who are just going to shrug and say, "I always knew the aliens were real, it's no big deal." But you also know that some of them are nuttier than a fruitcake and could cause a lot of trouble. So we have to ask ourselves how we can tell people what they deserve to know and, maybe, what they need to know?
'The way to do it is to construct a framework whereby they can parse out the things that they've heard that are not true, and you whittle it down to a manageable story. A story like this: "There were three spaceships that came here over thirty years, and we've got one of them. We can't figure out how it works, we've crashed it because there's a lot of physics that we've still got to learn. We do have something that's like a magnethydrodynamic toroid, and it really did get a craft of the ground, but it smelled bad and it killed a couple of pilots. And we're really sorry about that, but we did it because we've got this machine that came from another planet, and we need to know how it works." '
Oh god, he just did it again. I tried to slow my breathing to prevent the giddiness from becoming a full-on panic attack.
Kit carried on, oblivious to my inner struggle. I was glad not to be inside one of his MRI machines.
'How do you tell people that story? If it's true?' he added, almost parenthetically.
"If you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they'd get sick, so you do it slowly over ten or twenty years.You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about all the crazy stuff that we've seen recently in Serpo. Then one day you say, "Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it's not that bad, you don't have to worry, the reality is this..." - and then you give them the real story."
Source: 'Mirage Men' by Mark Pilkington - Constable 2010.
www.amazon.com...
Rick Doty:
"Kit is also a close and long-standing friend of Rick Doty, who he talked about with unguarded warmth and respect, though he was forced to admit that sometimes Rick's actions could be both puzzling and frustrating." (p.278.)
"We talked about the use of quiet helicopters 'disguised' as UFOs to probe security and nuclear installations. 'I'm pretty sure that it happened' said Kit, following up by hinting that he may have met a man who claimed to have flown similar missions." (p.278.)
ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com...
4/6/05,10:08 PM, p.1 of 9 Analysis by Jack Sarfatti of the real UFO physics implied in
Jacques Vallee’s “Fastwalker” written with Tracy Torme.
Originally posted by realitydiscovered
Someone is trying to shove in a new movie here, isn't it that well-worn
from one another forum with all the monkeys from the AVIARY.
"We talked about the use of quiet helicopters 'disguised' as UFOs to probe security and nuclear installations. 'I'm pretty sure that it happened' said Kit, following up by hinting that he may have met a man who claimed to have flown similar missions." (p.278.)
ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com...
Originally posted by realitydiscovered
I wouldn’t believe in the Aviary birds having already some experience with them
and made some analyses due to it.