Rendlesham forest, "Ancient Aliens" episode 30.12.10 and binary numbers

Originally posted by GoldenChild
It's possible I've missed it somewhere, but am I right in thinking that the decoded message hasn't been released and the only info we have is what was taken from the TV show?

Yep - correct.

If so, any news on the full message contents or if/when it will be released?

Not yet. I know the question has been put to Jim Penniston has been asked.

Great post OP, have you passed on the suggestions about the different binary systems from that era to Nick Ciske?

Not yet. I thought I'd see how far members of ATS (and a few others that are looking at the message) can get before going back to him. I know a few other people have tried to contact him as well and I don't want to pester him on a daily basis.

I can recommend Larry Warren's book on the subject btw, interesting read indeed.

Thanks - I've read it.

I have a list of 89 sets of page references that I've compiled to discussion of Rendlesham in UFO books that I've read (and can give a link to those page references to anyone interested) - and I have a few more books on my shelf at the moment that I know discuss Rendlesham that I should read and then add to that list of page references.

All the best,

Isaac

Originally posted by ArMaP
Everything points to a binary message coded in ASCII.

PS: although ASCII can use only 7 bits, this message uses 8 bit codes, apparently.

This is exactly what makes me skeptical and thinking that this "message" is a hoax. I think it would be reasonable to expect that a message delivered to an individual 30 years ago would be representative of the binary methods used 30 years ago....

I am also skeptical of the fact that this guy supposedly sat on the message for 30 years and not another soul saw it? As it was already mentioned, binary punch cards have been used since the 50's. Someone in the military would have *surely* been aware of this fact and, at the very least, known what binary was... That he held onto it for 30 years without attempting to get it translated is very fishy...

Does anyone know if these 6-12 sheets of hand-written binary numbers have had any forensic analysis done to determine whether they really were written 30 years ago?

A forensics website FAQ [ www.4n6.com... ] says its generally possible to determine the age of either the ink or paper.

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Why do I get the feeling that he "recently transferred it" to a newer piece of paper and threw the old one away? cough cough.

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Regarding the Block 4 interpretations people have been discussing (after removing the first bit):
ŒURTHCOODIATECOS•S•SÕTT

Someone else commented that it looks like "Earth Coordinate". If you punch in "RTH COODIATE" into Google, it seems to think the same thing ("Did you mean?").

Another thing that comes to mind is that it might be some kind of mathematical formula. The "RTH" might mean rho and theta (although "P" would have been better for rho). The "COS" could mean cosine. The various "S" and "T" letters could trying to mean "sine" or "tangent". The high-bit characters could potentially be in some other coding system that may have been at use at the time (instead of pure US-ASCII), or maybe it's just trying to represent numbers in raw integer form. (The high-bit could potentially be to indicate a negative raw number, or perhaps the high-bit is just a parity bit and could be ignored.) I agree these are all stretches--just trying to put the idea out there though in case no one else is thinking along those lines.

In both Both 1 and other Block 4 interpretations, I noticed that many times, the uppercase "U" appeared a lot. Not sure if it's a coincidence that happens to be alternating zeros and ones in binary (01010101).

010011100110010101100001011101000010000001110011011101000110111101110010011110010010111000100000001000000100100100100000011001000110100101100100011011 100010011101110100001000000110101101101110011011110111011100100000011000010110001001101111011101010111010000100000011101000110100001100101001000000110 001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001100011011011110110010001100101001000000110010001100101011101000110000101101001011011000111001100 101110001000000010000000001101000010100000110100001010010010010110111001110100011001010111001001100101011100110111010001101001011011100110011100101110

Originally posted by Larryman
The binary numbers decode to a message, and the coordinates of a sunken island off the west coast of England/Ireland - referred to as 'the other Atlantis'.

Gee, in other words the mystical island of Thule of the Aryan race which the Vrill Society was all about.

This whole story reeks of BS

How hard is it to accept that these were Soviet/Russia recon craft?

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We need the scans of the pages without context there will always be questions about the decode.
BTW 7-bit vs 8-bit ASCII is the addition of "0" in the first spot.

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thats what im sayin

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Block 4 almost seems to be Latin to me, not English.

"Planetary advancement" in relation to the human race, from my understanding, means evolution.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Mmm. Hang on a moment...

One basic point that I don't think anyone has picked up on so far : How many pages are there?

Maybe its 6 physical pages, counting front and back as one page or 12 pages counting front and back as separate pages..

Although we are getting more information decoding the pages of written binary filmed versus what was reported from Nick. So maybe there is more code..

Seems there are errors in the binary code that was filmed..

Originally posted by ByteChanger
010011100110010101100001011101000010000001110011011101000110111101110010011110010010111000100000001000000100100100100000011001000110100101100100011011 100010011101110100001000000110101101101110011011110111011100100000011000010110001001101111011101010111010000100000011101000110100001100101001000000110 001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001100011011011110110010001100101001000000110010001100101011101000110000101101001011011000111001100 101110001000000010000000001101000010100000110100001010010010010110111001110100011001010111001001100101011100110111010001101001011011100110011100101110

0111001001101111011101000110011001101100011011010110000101101111

After reading all the posts here on ATS regarding this so called code, I decided to do a little digging to see if we could find any discrepancies in Penniston's story.

I did some searches and came across Sgt. Pennistons written and signed account of the Rendlesham incident.
www.freedomofinfo.org...

Sgt Penniston does seem to show, through his accounts, all along that he would have been close enough to "touch" the craft. So we can't rule out that he was to far away.

@ minute aprox. 1:20 where Sgt. Penniston starts to describe how he received the code, on two separate occasions Pennistons eyes shot up and to the right (from the viewers angle). Although eye movement as an indicator of deception is very very very shakey. This eye movement is consistent with a person pulling from memory rather than the portion of the brian for imagination.
Eye Movement

@ minute aprox 2:20 where Sgt. Penniston gives his reason as to why he didn't release this information. He makes a few statements as follows "you're not right" & "they'll take your gun...". The basic premise is that he thought people would question his mental stability.

Taking him @ his word that he "didn't even know what binary was", it is, at the very least plausible that Sgt. Peniston would actually hide this information. Put yourself in his shoes for a moment. It's 1980 or 1981. Imagine yourself receiving this "mental picture" of apparently random numbers that you have to write down secretly in a notebook. Just pages and pages of numbers with no meaning, writing them at night to try and help yourself fall asleep. With his other accounts on record he always had other officers that would back up what he saw. In this case all he has is a dream and chicken scratch numbers in an old notebook. You can definitely see how it could happen. But there is so many questions to this that I'll leave it for another time.

Lastly:

In doing some research on "Hy Brazil" I came across it's actual name: "Tierra Da Vera Cruz" but it was soon changed. There is additional information out there On Tierra but I haven't spent much time on it yet.

I also found this interesting: a little paragraph in the book "Seafaring Lore and Legends" mentions a Scottish sea captain named Nesbet who claimed to have landed on Hy Brazil in the late 1600's. He stated that the island was inhibted by a "magician in a castle".

Seafaring Lore

Nevermind. Had mistaken coordinates..

I still think that the content of the message, by this I mean the decoded message, isn't actually important. The authenticity of the story and the validity of this case is now what hangs in the balance. I think we can completely disregard the message, and how he received it as complete BS.

Perhaps this kind of behaviour is acceptable in a murder case that ran for thirty years, with the advent of DNA profiling and what not, but this is a UFO case people. Getting people to believe your story in the first place is hard enough; never mind pulling a binary code out of your rear end thirty years later. You cannot do that in a UFO case without people casting doubt on your credibility, and the credibility of the case.

Does anyone here share the same view?

And if so what do you think we should really be discussing? The nature of the message, or the credibility of the witnesses story?

The only thing holding this one together is the fact that it WAS a credible case for so long.....

But it raises a point, that the producers of the show failed to acknowledge or even consider; if there is a quasi-galactic program (by an alien race) for studying humanity with the possible advancement of our planet in the process (or the ultimate goal), then surely the United Nations must be aware of it?

I honestly cannot envision a scenario without the cooperation or sanctioning of such event.

Secondly, I cannot understand why this information was held in secret for 30 years. Why would you repress a possible code from an intelligent source from official reports? Seems quite selfish. A rather significant piece of evidence to withhold from countless investigations and numerous documentaries

Originally posted by Smugallo
And if so what do you think we should really be discussing? The nature of the message, or the credibility of the witnesses story?

Fair points, but I'm not sure there would be much point in discussing the credibility of the witnesses story - most people will have their own (fairly instinctive) reaction , so I think it may be more productive to discuss the message (its content and has been / could have been encoded and decoded) rather than simply expressing our views as to the credibility of the late emergence of the message - at least unless and until Jim Penniston answers further questions about the background.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by Larryman
The binary numbers decode to a message, and the coordinates of a sunken island off the west coast of England/Ireland - referred to as 'the other Atlantis'.

Gee, in other words the mystical island of Thule of the Aryan race which the Vrill Society was all about.

This whole story reeks of BS

How hard is it to accept that these were Soviet/Russia recon craft?

Not hard except to those who are REALLY familiar with the details.
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Block 4
0100011001001110101010101010100100101010001001000010000110100111101
0011110100010001001001000011100100000101010100010001010100001101001
1110101001110010101000100100101001110010101010100111101010100010101
01010100010101001110

Block 4 - ŒURTHCOODIATECOS•S•SÕTT    1 bit removed from the left

Wow i have chills up my spine.. We can figure out the errors using this ASCII binary table and a Word builder..

www.simotime.com...

and

www.wineverygame.com...

ŒURTH becomes FOURTH heres how..

10001100 10011101 01010101 01010010 01010100 01001000 = ŒURTH
Where you said you removed one bit from the left was incorrect! there is actually an extra 0 in place that should NOT be there!!! (Highlighted in YELLOW) Now replace the 1 bit from the left("0") and remove the misplaced "0"

01000110 01001111 01010101 01010010 01010100 01001000 = FOURTH

So now more correctly we have:

Block Four:
010001100100111101010101010100100101010001001000010000110100111101
0011110100010001001001000011100100000101010100010001010100001101001
1110101001110010101000100100101001110010101010100111101010100010101
01010100010101001110

Block 4 - FOURTHCOODIATECOS•S•SÕTT

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Hmm your correct IssacKoi, there has probably been a million threads in a million forums at least discussing the credibility of the case. I am familiar with the story, but I'm not familiar with the specifics of the whole thing.