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Originally posted by Curiousisall
There is a religious opt out in the bill and according to the language used it does not apply to any particular religion at all but leaves to door open for religious objections from any religion recognized by US tax code. No reason to assume Muslims have any more exemption than Christian Scientists do.
Originally posted by Curiousisall
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
I know.
I was trying to help.
Originally posted by Curiousisall
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
I am certain had you gone with "Muslims can opt out of Obamacare" the thread would have been swamped. Had you even opened with one of the talking heads already spreading this story, this place would be going crazy. Unfortunately, this last week of watching people insist that unsourced rumors are more credible than common sesne or any named official anywhere, when they do eventually get here they are just going to believe whatever the most inflamatory version of the story they heard was.
subject to section 1411, grant a certification attesting that, for purposes of the
individual responsibility penalty under section 5000A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986,
an individual is exempt from the individual requirement or from the penalty imposed by such
section because -
(ii) the individual meets the requirements for any other such exemption from the
individual responsibility requirement or penalty
(b) (5) (A) In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual's status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry,
as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the
Secretary shall prescribe.
(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION. Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and
Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious
sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings
of such sect or division as described in such section.
(B) HEALTH CARE SHARING MINISTRY.
(g) Members of certain religious faiths
(1) Exemption
Any individual may file an application (in such form and manner, and with such official, as may be prescribed by regulations under this chapter) for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act). Such exemption may be granted only if the application contains or is accompanied by—
(A) such evidence of such individual’s membership in, and adherence to the tenets or teachings of, the sect or division thereof as the Secretary may require for purposes of determining such individual’s compliance with the preceding sentence, and
(B) his waiver of all benefits and other payments under titles II and XVIII of the Social Security Act on the basis of his wages and self-employment income as well as all such benefits and other payments to him on the basis of the wages and self-employment income of any other person,
and only if the Commissioner of Social Security finds that—
(C) such sect or division thereof has the established tenets or teachings referred to in the preceding sentence,
(D) it is the practice, and has been for a period of time which he deems to be substantial, for members of such sect or division thereof to make provision for their dependent members which in his judgment is reasonable in view of their general level of living, and
(E) such sect or division thereof has been in existence at all times since December 31, 1950
Originally posted by WTFover
The HCSM is further defined, but isn't relevant to this thread. What is relevant, is what is supposed to be contained in Section 1402, which actually defines all who are exempt and who have "Special Rules" applied.
I said supposed to be, because Section 1402(g)(1) doesn't exist! At least not in the HCR act. It may be that someone left out that the cited title is meant to refer one to that section of the Internal Revenue Code, which was amended to give the IRS the authority to enforce the mandate of "maintaining essential minimum coverage".
Originally posted by Curiousisall
There is a religious opt out in the bill and according to the language used it does not apply to any particular religion at all but leaves to door open for religious objections from any religion recognized by US tax code. No reason to assume Muslims have any more exemption than Christian Scientists do.
Originally posted by links234
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
It was and still is accessible to the public. The problem's we faced were with speculation on what was in it or what wasn't in it. Hence the infamous quote, "We need to pass the bill to see what's in it."
Once it's passed all the speculation goes out the window and you're left with nothing but facts. As I said earlier, I would flag this for the content alone, but the OP speculation that something 'might' be in the bill is absurd because the bill is now law and available for all to see.
Originally posted by links234
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow
It was and still is accessible to the public. The problem's we faced were with speculation on what was in it or what wasn't in it. Hence the infamous quote, "We need to pass the bill to see what's in it."
Once it's passed all the speculation goes out the window and you're left with nothing but facts. As I said earlier, I would flag this for the content alone, but the OP speculation that something 'might' be in the bill is absurd because the bill is now law and available for all to see.