Bush and Hitler: What The 'Torture Memos' Reveal

ummmmmmmm hitler killed like 20 million people, and you compare him to Bush? come on, get a life.

For real, Bush is not like hitler at all.

Originally posted by sniper068
For 75 years the ACLU has steadly and feverishly worked to undermine the Christian and moral heritage of our nation.

Hate to break it to ya, but there's other religions besides Christianity in the US. And we were established on Puritan beliefs, trying to escape persecution by Catholics.

Why do Christians feel that the government is supposed to be Christian too? Government's job is NOT to be a moral guide. It is not government's position to tell us what we should believe.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Sheep will believe whatever their master tells them to believe. They are incapable of independent thought and have absolutely no intellectual curiosity. They might learn something that goes against their beliefs. Better not go there.

And yes, 10, 20 years from now, you Bush supporters will look just as wrong and foolish as the Germans did so long ago.

Critical thought isn't analogous to a teenager rebelling against his parents and "being different". Critical thought can result in the reinforcement of one's beliefs.

Just because you don't agree with the Bush administration, and others do, doesn't make them sheep, nor you an intellectual. Unless you consider an intellectual to be a left-wing extremist spreading their beliefs to impressionable yound adults on a college campus. Academia and Hollywood are generally pretty left-slanted.

That said, I do not consider myself one among the sheep. And I feel that comparisons between Hitler and Bush undermine anything one might learn when undertaking a study of the U.S. political system; our system is robust enough to prevent such a dictatorship from occurring. Similarly, it results in the marginalization of extreme views, both on the left and the right. Even if Bush wanted to be the next Hitler, he wouldn't be able to bypass all the checks and balances placed upon his role as President.

Exactly what Spectator said, the Prez doesent have enough authority. The system is set up so we can't have maniacs like Hitler come into power. And I haven't felt the effects of the Patriot Act have you? My parents surely haven't. Yet I know where your coming from, 5,000 people have been arrested as a result of the Patriot Act yet only 5 were charged with terrosism. I don't like the Patriot Act at all but I think it is over hyped.

Those of you who are unwilling to grasp the reality of what is taking place suffer from either ignorance of history or willful blindeness. Go read the history of Hitler's rise. I dare you. Educate yourself. Otherwise, one of these days you're in for one hell of a rude awakening. By then, it may be too late for you to do anything about it. The parallels are profoundly disturbing.

ECK, you are correct, most Americans think Hitler took over by force. But in truth he was voted into power by the people, unlike Bush. Bush got his dumbass i office by using money, corruption, and more money. Hitler campaigned and was elected by the people. No recounts, no using your influence on supreme court to get your way, Hitler was voted into office by the majority vote.

Anyways, Hitler killed 20 million in about 10-15 years, Bush has only been a dictator for less than 4, give him a few years to catch up.

ACLU does defend somethings I would never even talk about it, but I do agree with their values that Americans have rights and they need to be defended no matter what. As Voltaire said. "I do not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."(something like that, it is someones signature on ATS) May not agree with it, but it is the American right and way that needs to be defended. And USA was found on Puritan and atheist ways, not catholic. hell, hate for the USA to be founded on catholic way of life. "It's ok for someone with power to rape little boys in the ass. They have power!" Wait, check out the Franklin Coverup among the Reagan/Bush Administration. They did just that and covered it up. So I guess the republicans were built on catholic ways.

ECK

Ok, explain the "striking resemblance" to there rise to power ???

In 1923, Hitler with Ernst Roehm who had formed the paramilitary SA brownshirts in the Nazi Party, sought to take over the Bavaria government in the Beer Hall Putsch of Nov. 8-9, but failed and Hitler served 9 months in prison where he wrote Mein Kampf

Hitler made Chancellor Jan. 30, 1933, with the help of von Papen, and sought revision of Versailles system by immediately beginning a rearmament program with the support of industrialists such as Alfred Hugenberg and Gustav Krupp (who by April agreed to remove Jewish workers from his factories)

The Malicious Practices Act of March 21, 1933, began the mass arrests of communists and socialists, the Dauchau concentration camp was set up March 22 in a former powder milk plant, the Enabling Act March 23 made Hitler dictator and eliminated other parties such as the pro-Catholic Zentrum, radical books were burned May 10.

On June 30, 1934, the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler murdered Ernst Rohm and began to eliminate the SA, replacing the old Nazi party brownshirts with Heinrich Himmler's SS and Reinhard Heydrich's SD as state internal security forces.

ECK: You talk about those that don't agree with you as being "blind sheep" and that you don't expect anyone to read the links you provide to "prove" your point. You just ignore the contra-evidence your links provide. Yesterday, I read your link about William Shirer's book about Hitler's rise to power. But unlike a sheep, I also did some additional research on Shirer and his writing. I included a quote from his biography where he said that he understood that the reason people "supported" Hitler was because of fear of being thrown into a concentration camp if they didn't.

That is one OBVIOUS difference between Hitler and Bush. However, you just ignore that because the evidence you provided proves your argument is without merit.

You instead just keep chanting the same old mantra:

Bush doesn't do what I want so I hate Bush,
Bush doesn't do what I want so everything he does is wrong,
Bush doesn't do what I want so he is just like Hitler,
Bush doesn't do what I want so he is going crazy,
Blah, Blah, Blah

That gets so old and monotonous. That is the same logic that toddlers use to try to get their way. There is no actual substance to their argument; they just repeat the same thing over and over to wear their parents down.

Here are some more articles on the parallels. A German who wrote one reminds us:

Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

- George Santayana

www.truthout.org...
The Bush Hitler Thing
t r u t h o u t | Reader Submission
Friday 09 January 2004

So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda. The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law and international standards of justice. The disappearances of 'undesirable' aliens. The threats against protesters. The invasion of a non-threatening sovereign nation. The occupation of a hostile country. The promises of prosperity and security. The spying on ordinary citizens. The incitement to spy on one's neighbors - and report them to the government. The arrogant triumphant pride in military conquest. The honoring of soldiers. The tributes to 'fallen warriors. The diversion of money to the military. The demonization of government appointed 'enemies'. The establishment of 'Homeland Security'. The dehumanization of 'foreigners'. The total lack of interest in the victims of government policy. The incarceration of the poor and mentally ill. The growing prosperity from military ventures. The illusion of 'goodness' and primacy. The new einsatzgrupen forces. Assassination teams. Closed extralegal internment camps. The militarization of domestic police. Media blackout of non-approved issues. Blacklisting of protesters - including the no-fly lists and photographing dissenters at rallies.
portland.indymedia.org...



The_War
The Bush-Hitler Connection






[The_War.19.1]: Cassidy Culkin [cassidy] Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:53:19 CST (HTML)



There's an interesting book/website that everyone ought to read, analyze and debate. It's a subject about which I was unaware until recently. Did Prescott Bush, President G.W. Bush's grandfather, actually assist Adolf Hitler in his rise to power? And if Prescott Bush was a Hitler backer, what does this mean for the present? Is G.W. Bush carrying on his grandfather's work today? Is the current invasion an attempt to bring freedom to Iraq, or is it part of a plan for global domination?
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin is well-researched and thoroughly footnoted. Please read it and respond.
forums.alternet.org...
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PARALLELS

By Gregory Greene

May 2002



Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

- George Santayana




On February 27, 1933, a mentally deranged Dutch Communist, Marinus van der Lubbe, lit a few small fires in the German parliament building, the Reichstag, in Berlin--not enough to set the building alight, but sufficient to get him hanged as the sole perpetrator afterward. The happenings prior to that fateful evening, and the events following it, carry some lessons for those wanting to understand September 11, 2001, and the subsequent developments.
gregorygreene.50megs.com...



Are Parallels To Nazi Germany Crazy?
by Harley Sorensen

The customers always write. I get about 400 e-mails in response to my columns every week, which might explain why I didn't answer yours. Here, slightly edited, is one of the more interesting ones from last week. It's from Herr Moellers in Germany:

"Dear Mr. Sorensen,

"I have many American friends and used to go on business travel to the U.S. a lot (I stopped doing that after even our European governments have given in to Uncle Sam's appetite for information about individuals traveling to God's Own Country), and I am shocked by the deterioration of democracy in a country that I used to love. This administration is a shame and the destabilization they have brought to the world is scaring the s** out of me.
www.commondreams.org...

I love to make analogies. (In the Bible they are called Parables. )

There was a man making $1,000/week, but he and his wife were spending $2,000/week because they had a credit card with a $100,000 limit. Life is good while they enjoys life and spend their money and the credit card company's money. Suddenly 100 weeks into this scenario, their credit limit is reached and they are forced to cut their spending in half, PLUS have to pay off this big debt they have accumulated. His wife is irate that her husband is "destabilizing" their relationship and life style. According to her, "everything was going fine until HE decided to cut their spending in half".

My opinion in this regard: historically the Democrats and liberals in general "buy" prosperity through giveaway programs, entitlements, and cutting spending on the essentials that the constitution mandates like defense . They artificially prop up the economy and get elected by asking the people, "Aren't you better off now then you were during the last Republican leadership?"

All these people (the real sheep) with no reckoning power, say "yes we are better off." They ignore the huge debt they are piling up on their kids and grand kids and the fact that the there has been little if any attempt to avoid or limit issues like Saddam Hussein before he got that powerful. So they re-elect giveaway experts and moral depravity like Clinton.

Once a conservative gets elected, like Bush, who is handed an economy whose credit limit is about exhausted, they complain idiotically, that "The sky is falling! Everything was better the way it was! We don't care about the cliff we are speeding toward as long as we get a free lunch today."

I am as exasperated as the next person about the condition of our society. However, I believe that President Bush is fixing the problem rather than making it worse.

Most people that have had a dreadful disease like cancer will attest to the fact that they felt better WITH the cancer before they started treatment. Chemo and surgery are (temporarily) a whole lot worse than the disease. However, those treatments are necessary if there is any hope of surviving the disease.

The Democrats provide pain killers and magic potions to keep everyone oblivious to the disease they are developing. They will drug you into mindless bliss as you plummet over the cliff.


The Republicans actually go after the disease and treat it. The treatment may hurt for a time, but you may ultimately survive.


Which is better: a little pain to cure the disease or a stout shot of whiskey so you don't feel the impact of hitting the valley floor?

[edit on 2004-7-4 by Teknik]

Originally posted by leiphasw
Once a conservative gets elected, like Bush, who is handed an economy whose credit limit is about exhausted, they complain idiotically, that "The sky is falling! Everything was better the way it was! We don't care about the cliff we are speeding toward as long as we get a free lunch today."

I didn't like Clinton, either. As a matter of fact I despised him. The fact is, though, he passed the balanced budget with the Republican congress and handed George Bush a surplus. Bush has blown it big-time running up the greatest national debt in our nation's entire history. We are far worse off now than we were before he took office. (And just so you know, I voted for Bush. I have every right to call him on the mat.)

I am as exasperated as the next person about the condition of our society. However, I believe that President Bush is fixing the problem rather than making it worse.

Give me three examples of how he is helping this country. If you ask me, it's his corporate cronies he's helping.

The Democrats provide pain killers and magic potions to keep everyone oblivious to the disease they are developing.

Corruption is bipartisan.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Give me three examples of how he is helping this country. If you ask me, it's his corporate cronies he's helping.

I can give you two:


www.abovetopsecret.com...


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not to mention Oil production has exceeded pre war levels.

It would help you greatly if you took a look at the facts.

GAO Report - Iraq Worse Off
Now Than Before War
By Seth Borenstein,
Knight-Ridder
7-1-4


WASHINGTON - In a few key areas -- electricity, the judicial system and overall security -- the Iraq that America handed back to its residents Monday is worse off than before the war began last year, according to calculations in a new General Accounting Office report released Tuesday:

www.gao.gov...

The 105-page report by Congress' investigative arm offers a bleak assessment of Iraq after 14 months of U.S. military occupation. Among its findings:

* In 13 of Iraq's 18 provinces, electricity was available fewer hours per day on average last month than before the war. Nearly 20 million of Iraq's 26 million people live in those provinces.

* Only $13.7 billion of the $58 billion pledged and allocated worldwide to rebuild Iraq has been spent, with another $10 billion about to be spent. The biggest chunk of that money has been used to run Iraq's ministry operations.

* The country's court system is more clogged than before the war, and judges are frequent targets of assassination attempts.

* The new Iraqi civil defense, police and overall security units are suffering from mass desertions, are poorly trained and ill-equipped.

* The number of what the now-disbanded Coalition Provisional Authority called significant insurgent attacks skyrocketed from 411 in February to 1,169 in May.

Full Knight-Ridder article:
www.rense.com...

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
It would help you greatly if you took a look at the facts.

It would help you if you quit spamming and using the same ol biased sources who take the most minute problem and blow it up to colossal preportions.

I have only been on this board for a couple days, but it doesn't take a long time to figure out that ECK hates Bush to nearly a neurotic level. He spouts his biased analysis of everything that he can weave into an anti-Bush slam. Then, when he starts to be sufficiently countered, since so much of what he says is nonsense, he just abandons the thread and starts another with a nice juicey title that relates Bush to either torture, Hitler or the like. Then he gets a few eyeballs to view his propaganda before he is shot down to cycle it around again in a new thread.

His many posts are so long and frequently look/sound the same, I assume he is pasting them in over and over to different threads he creates to bash Bush. Sort of reminds me of an old homeless guy I used to see in Philadelphia with his shopping cart plastered with cardboard panels covered with political statements. He spent his day shouting his endless political rantings that made no sense. Maybe he finally got an internet connection...Philly is on the East Coast...

That gets kinda old...and makes me believe he is just using this board as part of Kerry's political promotion. Even though he'll probably deny he ever mentioned Kerry in a post, what he is doing is so obvious, even I can understand that if there are only two candidates of merit and you blow away the one you don't like, the remaining candidate wins... Wow! I thought of that myself...and I am just an ignorant sheep.

BUT I "Deny that I am an Ignorant Sheep!" I am a SMART Sheep...at least it smarts when they clip me...

The title of this thead is exagerating but the torture is repulsive.

ECK......
Maybe its you who has refused to learn from history.

Some democrats and liberal have been saying that never before in US history has the US been the aggressor. Well since 9/11 the US has adopted a new policy, one I feel that has been learned from HISTORY, and that is to actively seek those who bid us harm and destroy them.

A LESSON WELL LEARNED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!