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Russia to cut 100,000 bureaucrat jobs by 2013: minister

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posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:15 PM
Cuba, now Russia, let me get this straight, the socialist countries of old are downsizing government bureaucracies and expanding freedom, yet here in the USSA, we are expanding government and bureaucracies.

Alright, have I fallen asleep and entered a bad dream?

Article-Russia to cut 100,000 bureaucrat jobs by 2013: minister

Russia plans to slash 100,000 bureaucrat jobs by 2013, Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin said on Monday, in a drive to reduce costs and modernize the country's bloated bureaucracy.

It is a very short article, I am sure a lot of secrecy there yet.

Anyway, what was I saying, oh yeah, is this just a bad dream?

The obligatory Ron Paul Speech

Current conditions or just a bad dream.

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:29 PM
I guessing these two counterys did not get any advice from Obama. lol

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:31 PM
Russia has not been Communist (or socialist) for 20 years.

That said, they seem to be on the right track. Getting rid of bureaucrats, as long as the jobs are truly not necessary, is a great idea.

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:42 PM
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

well yeah, because they'll be dead. 2012!?!? haha had to

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:47 PM
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross

That is why I said socialist countries of old.

Hey, I am beginning to wonder, is socialism the way that the banks and all steal all the money from a country?
I mean, the banks move in and all of a sudden all these great socialistic ideas are installed, to pay for it the banks give all these loans at interest to pay for them. Then as the countries are destroyed, they move on to the socialist countries of the past that have turned capitalistic, and push all the socialist stuff again.

There is a conspiracy for you.

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:54 PM
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

Actually that so called 'Conspiracy' is dead on arrival. Like all corrupting forces every movement can and probably will be corrupted by the elite. I do not believe the Russian Revolution where they killed bankers was actually set up by the bankers. Unless they have some very strange minds that murdering themselves will somehow give them more power?

Socialism is far more complex than what Capitalists and other opponents claim. Just as Capitalism is not an open and shut idea or Libertarianism is not an open and shut idea. It is very complex and so are its followers. To just claim that all Socialists want a 'free lunch' is like claiming all Libertarians are wealthy people looking for a tax cut, it's a false assertion based on very little if any evidence to support it other than partisan name calling.

Most honest movements were created in opposition to hierarchy and concentration of power, these movements began during the Age of Enlightenment as Liberalism(Modern day Libertarianism), then Liberals became Socialists. It was all in opposition to unchecked and unrivaled wealth and power concentration and in opposition to oppressive forces such as Royalty, Bankers or Churches.

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:57 PM

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Cuba, now Russia, let me get this straight, the socialist countries of old are downsizing government bureaucracies and expanding freedom, yet here in the USSA

As a person born in the Soviet Union, fluent in Russian language and who follows authentic news sources in Russia, I can't help but remark how inane this statement of yours is, and how far it is from reality. Do you really believe for a split second that Russia is "expanding freedom"? If you do, you are so out of depth any further argument in this thread is rather pointless.

Russia has consistently ranked as one of the most oppressive places in the developed world. And there is no sign of relenting. Freedom my @ss.

As to the proposed workforce reduction in government bureaucracy, it comes against the background of widely recognized bloated apparatus which was simply not sustainable. Even the Russians in their excess realized that, and even then there in no guarantee whatsoever that whatever plans they make for the next 3 years will come to any degree of implementation.

In summary, no substance in the OP.

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 06:59 PM
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

GOOD JOB RUSSIA! wow. I dont say that often.

Not much else to add except this is a step in the right direction, and America SHOULD follow suit. But no, we are going the other direction.


about the Ron Paul Video. I know I have seen it before, but I just watched it again.

I was listening to his words while reading the captions at the bottom and stopped it at 1:08. because it rang TOO true with me.

His words are " Reationary views in the guise of progress, An Empire replacing the Republic. Slavery sold as Liberty".

Can this be anymore true? Ron Paul, the man who speaks of common sense, the only true man left in Congress, once again has hit the nail on the head, and yet people are still looking the other way. Its sad.
We need more leaders like this man, its just too bad there arent any left. If this country needs anything, its this man behind the Presidential Podium.

edit on 20-9-2010 by Common Good because: changed 4:08 to1:08

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 07:01 PM
For the sake of entertaining alternate ideas...

I wonder if these reductions in government might have anything to do with preparations for when shtf. If something big is going down, something so big it will alter modern civilization, I'm pretty sure the governments are the first to know. Why the big gov layoffs? Political leaders going into hiding or something?

Just an abstract idea, nothing more xD

posted on Sep, 20 2010 @ 07:52 PM

Mikhail Gorbachev-Nov. 2, 1987 addressed the Soviet Politburo: In October 1917, we parted with the old world, rejecting it once and for all. We are moving toward a new world, the world of Communism. We shall never turn off that road!? He further reassures his Communist colleagues: Comrades, do not be concerned about all that you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.

"War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. Today of course, we are not
strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years...The Bourgeoisie will have to be
put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record.
There will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid
and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance
to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clinched fist."
Dimitry Z. Manuilsky in a speech made in 1931 before the Lenin School of Political Warfare.
(He became an officer of the U.N. Security Council in 1949)

I just love quoting people,to get a vetter look behind the scenes.

Sorry if these are off-topic,but to say Russia isn't still a "threat" is wrong. It just changed it's approach. And they are fully entrenched in America now and have been influencing things for a long,long time.

To me,it just represents godlessness and tyranny,no matter what name it goes by.

posted on Sep, 21 2010 @ 09:52 AM
reply to post by On the Edge

Gorachev was a remarkably inefficient and inept politician who presided over dismantling of an empire which was fraught with problems but still fairly functional. He's like the recent GM leadership that ran the enterprise into the ground. To quote this excuse of a politician on any occasion or topic is en exercise in futility.

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