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Originally posted by Solasis
*rubs head*
I await your reply which accuses ;me of either being a dupe or a race traitor -- though I know you won't use those last two words.
Originally posted by pr3l33t
Jesus Christ, people. When in the history of the United States has a white man ever been unable to get a decent, well-paying job - any decent, well-paying job - due solely to his race? When has a white person ever been told that he can't sit where he wants to because of his race? When have the majority of white people been enslaved, forbidden from voting, forbidden from attending the same schools as other races, treated as subhuman by the powerful elites of another race, or ever had to wear his skin color as a burden, instead of a simple fact of life?
The reason that black pride is okay and white pride is not is because African-Americans have been consistently oppressed and mistreated by the dominant white culture for centuries. The reason the double standard of racism and racial pride is permissible but still f***ed up is because minorities in America still have to deal with being minorities. No, a black man is probably not going to get lynched for dating a white woman. No, a black woman is not likely to be jailed for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman. No, African-Americans are not generally prohibited from voting by thinly-veiled racist policies. But the fact is that racism in America persists, and without a concerted effort to keep people aware that, yes, racism exists and, yes, people are still affected by it, then we lapse into complacency.
Every single person who has ever said, "Why are black people allowed to say 'the n-word' and whites aren't?" or "Why can black people promote black pride and whites can't promote white pride?" or any other bull# question like that is an ignorant moron who needs to be slapped upside the head. In case you weren't aware, racial biases still exist, discrimination still happens, and black people have to work together as a community to resist it. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? That's what the elites who tell you black pride is a bad thing are doing.
Remember that, for hundreds of years, African-Americans were still oppressed. As recently as forty years ago, lenders and real estate agents conspired to place all non-whites in specific areas of the city. Moreover, the economic devastation of slavery on minorities led to poverty which has persisted to this day, forcing many African-Americans to live in, yes, the ghetto and to depend on state and federal assistance. Combine this with lower-quality schools and job discrimination and you have a recipe for enforced poverty. Yes, some African-Americans have become wealthy through hard work, but many have not. The attitude that "school is for losers" among many African-American youths has been reinforced by the fact that inner-city schools cannot afford to hire good teachers or offer programs that actually interest and engage students. Furthermore, the stereotypical view is still held by many people (black and white, poor and rich) that blacks can only be successful in athletics or music, and that any other career path is unlikely to be rewarding, which further discourages black students from doing well.
The fact is that the groups that President Obama was speaking to are the ones that are attempting to fight these attitudes. You claim that black mobilization being acceptable and white mobilization being unacceptable is a double standard, and it is, but it is one of the few that a) doesn't exist (look at any Republican rally and determine the ratio of whites to minorities; do the same with the rally that Obama was it) and b) actually makes sense, to some extent. The fact is that mobilizing whites trends towards overt racism because the only issues that should appeal exclusively to white people are ones with racist motives. On the other hand, mobilizing minorities in the face of white apathy is essential to actually getting things done, because the failure to do so would mean that segregation would probably exist to this day.
Minorities have to face three kinds of challenging attitudes: the ill-intentioned ignorance (that is, overt racism), the well-intentioned ignorance (ex. the idea that inner-city schools should invest in recording studio technology and athletics to train minority students for a future in the music industry and professional sports, never mind that few ever successfully pursue either of those career paths and that this only reinforces the notion that these are the only opportunities for black students to be successful), and the ignorance-born apathy/antipathy (the idea that racism is not a serious issue or that somehow blacks attempting to organize and work together is the same thing as the KKK burning crosses and intimidating blacks). Without a concerted effort at organization, it's unlikely that these issues could even be addressed by minorities.
These are the facts. I'll probably check back on this thread, but don't expect a reply except to clarify my point or refute a particularly well-made response, not that I expect anyone ignorant enough to try and articulate such a response will be able to craft one.
Au revoir.
edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: (no reason given)
edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: Fixed a typo.
Originally posted by pr3l33t
Jesus Christ, people. When in the history of the United States has a white man ever been unable to get a decent, well-paying job - any decent, well-paying job - due solely to his race? When has a white person ever been told that he can't sit where he wants to because of his race? When have the majority of white people been enslaved, forbidden from voting, forbidden from attending the same schools as other races, treated as subhuman by the powerful elites of another race, or ever had to wear his skin color as a burden, instead of a simple fact of life?
The reason that black pride is okay and white pride is not is because African-Americans have been consistently oppressed and mistreated by the dominant white culture for centuries. The reason the double standard of racism and racial pride is permissible but still f***ed up is because minorities in America still have to deal with being minorities. No, a black man is probably not going to get lynched for dating a white woman. No, a black woman is not likely to be jailed for refusing to give up her seat to a white woman. No, African-Americans are not generally prohibited from voting by thinly-veiled racist policies. But the fact is that racism in America persists, and without a concerted effort to keep people aware that, yes, racism exists and, yes, people are still affected by it, then we lapse into complacency.
Every single person who has ever said, "Why are black people allowed to say 'the n-word' and whites aren't?" or "Why can black people promote black pride and whites can't promote white pride?" or any other bull# question like that is an ignorant moron who needs to be slapped upside the head. In case you weren't aware, racial biases still exist, discrimination still happens, and black people have to work together as a community to resist it. Ever heard of "divide and conquer"? That's what the elites who tell you black pride is a bad thing are doing.
Remember that, for hundreds of years, African-Americans were still oppressed. As recently as forty years ago, lenders and real estate agents conspired to place all non-whites in specific areas of the city. Moreover, the economic devastation of slavery on minorities led to poverty which has persisted to this day, forcing many African-Americans to live in, yes, the ghetto and to depend on state and federal assistance. Combine this with lower-quality schools and job discrimination and you have a recipe for enforced poverty. Yes, some African-Americans have become wealthy through hard work, but many have not. The attitude that "school is for losers" among many African-American youths has been reinforced by the fact that inner-city schools cannot afford to hire good teachers or offer programs that actually interest and engage students. Furthermore, the stereotypical view is still held by many people (black and white, poor and rich) that blacks can only be successful in athletics or music, and that any other career path is unlikely to be rewarding, which further discourages black students from doing well.
The fact is that the groups that President Obama was speaking to are the ones that are attempting to fight these attitudes. You claim that black mobilization being acceptable and white mobilization being unacceptable is a double standard, and it is, but it is one of the few that a) doesn't exist (look at any Republican rally and determine the ratio of whites to minorities; do the same with the rally that Obama was it) and b) actually makes sense, to some extent. The fact is that mobilizing whites trends towards overt racism because the only issues that should appeal exclusively to white people are ones with racist motives. On the other hand, mobilizing minorities in the face of white apathy is essential to actually getting things done, because the failure to do so would mean that segregation would probably exist to this day.
Minorities have to face three kinds of challenging attitudes: the ill-intentioned ignorance (that is, overt racism), the well-intentioned ignorance (ex. the idea that inner-city schools should invest in recording studio technology and athletics to train minority students for a future in the music industry and professional sports, never mind that few ever successfully pursue either of those career paths and that this only reinforces the notion that these are the only opportunities for black students to be successful), and the ignorance-born apathy/antipathy (the idea that racism is not a serious issue or that somehow blacks attempting to organize and work together is the same thing as the KKK burning crosses and intimidating blacks). Without a concerted effort at organization, it's unlikely that these issues could even be addressed by minorities.
These are the facts. I'll probably check back on this thread, but don't expect a reply except to clarify my point or refute a particularly well-made response, not that I expect anyone ignorant enough to try and articulate such a response will be able to craft one.
Au revoir.
edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: (no reason given)
edit on 19-9-2010 by pr3l33t because: Fixed a typo.
Originally posted by Faiol
white power, besides racism, is terrorism
black power, is just being proud
Originally posted by felonius
Originally posted by Faiol
white power, besides racism, is terrorism
black power, is just being proud
Faiol, by your name I would guess you were VERY white. Celt blood? Your trolling.
Stupid trolls should be ignored.
Why the crap is there a "Black Caucus" to begin with?
(caucus, the irony in that name)
Arguing the merits of why the poor multi Trillionaire needs a another tax reduction
Why are the concerns of a section of America whose rights went unrepresented for centuries any less valid than those of other congressional caucuses?
If white people had pressing white-only issues to worry about, we would have our own caucus, and only a racist would deny us our right to form one.
Originally posted by Solasis
RACISM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by antonia
Someone whined about the use of David Duke so I changed it to SOMEONE that had power.
Tell me, what percentage is the black population?
en.wikipedia.org...
12.4%
And you bringing up BET is a perfect example of racism.
A wholly run network for a specific race. Can you point out another wholly race ran channel that is white?
Besides MSNBC?
Tell me, the Tea Party is about 79% white, WOW look at what the demographics for whites-75%! Imagine THAT!?
Blah blah blah.
Whites are the only ones that can be racist. We know we know.
edit on 20-9-2010 by saltheart foamfollower because: (no reason given)