Interesting photo of ground zero

Not sure if this has been posted before or even deserves its own thread.
I have been looking at photos of ground zero from numorous sites and came across this.
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The steel has been peeled back from the steel beam maybe like an explosive charge has been attached and detonated, what do you guys think

larger photo here 911.yweb.sk...

reply to post by remymartin


interesting indeed...

Is it just me, or is there a similar hole in the beam behind it, right above the top of the red circle.

"Or," it could easily be ripped out because another steel beam used to be attached to it.

Just putting that out there. If one steel beam rips out from another, it probably looks something like that.

the building collapsed and you're wondering how the beams were damaged?

Really?

reply to post by Varemia


Yes it could be a rip out, but only the face of the beam would be damaged, look at the side

Originally posted by remymartin
The steel has been peeled back from the steel beam maybe like an explosive charge has been attached and detonated, what do you guys think

Something had been bolted to the beam and it had been ripped off. You can even see the rivets that had held it onto the beam directly beneath the hole.

This is almost certainly damage that was inflicted during the collapse, specifically because of the collapse.

reply to post by MIMRblazin


I was wondering if some were damaged prior to collapse

reply to post by GoodOlDave


If it was a rip out why is the other side of the hole not bent outwards
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reply to post by remymartin


Because the crossbeam was only attached on one side of the beam shown.

Why did you have to be told that?

Originally posted by remymartin
If it was a rip out why is the other side of the hole not bent outwards

Becuase the bend you see is the direction the attached (presumably) girder was bent during the collapse. The other side of the hole would look like it's torn off like a piece of paper, and in the photo it DOES look like it's torn off like a piece of paper.

With those rivets right there, it should be undeniable even to you that *something* was attached at that location.

reply to post by remymartin


Hi,

I guess the same could be said if it were an explosive device - why is one part bent inwards?

Peace!

reply to post by remymartin


To be honest mate, i am convinced the evidence clearly shows all three WTC buildings were brought down by demolition charges, but thermite, not Hi-EX like C4.

After the buildings came down, it's to be expected that this kind of damage would occur.

You want to be looking for nice, clean 'cuts' at an sloping angle, not damage like rips and gouges. Another beam probably ploughed into it and caused this damage.

There are photo's around that show, clean angled cuts to the beams, with what was once molten steel covering the beam, having poured out from the chemical thermite reaction and then solidified.

A lot like a wax candle has the melted wax, dribbling down the sides of it after it's been melted and cooled.

Think Italian restaurant candle in an old Chianti wine bottle that's been lit a few dozen times, that's what these beams looked like. I can't find the image, so if anyone else has a copy they'd like to post?

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Yes i can accept that something may have been attached there

reply to post by remymartin
The real "smoking gun" is the beam just blow it, were are the bolts? one or two, ok due to rip out or heat failure, but all on one side? not even possible, no twist, and no fatigue would cause this. so explain away this one.

Originally posted by spikey
There are photo's around that show, clean angled cuts to the beams, with what was once molten steel covering the beam, having poured out from the chemical thermite reaction and then solidified.

There are also enough photos around showing these were cut by the ground crews dismantling the steel from ground zero. To claim that experienced steel workers clearing up the remains would be walking around these blatant signs of destruction and not recognizing it for what it is would be ridiculous. The reason why they ARE millign around these cuts and completely ignoring them is obvious- they're the ones who created the cuts to begin with.

It's one thing to suspect there's a conspiracy, but it's another thing entirely to misrepresent something to make it appear to be something it's not.

Guys, zoom in and check the image properly. The rivets are attached to another piece laying in front/on top of the piece in question. You can even see the lines and edges of this piece and that it is separate from the main beam being looked at here.

I'm not saying this suggests anything, but this definitely isn't all one piece of metal.

The hole is in a beam that is obscured by the flatter piece with the bolts in its corner.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Guys, zoom in and check the image properly. The rivets are attached to another piece laying in front/on top of the piece in question. You can even see the lines and edges of this piece and that it is separate from the main beam being looked at here.

I'm not saying this suggests anything, but this definitely isn't all one piece of metal.

The hole is in a beam that is obscured by the flatter piece with the bolts in its corner.

All right then, look at the beam lying in the foreground, in front of the workmen. That beam ALSO has a strip of steel pulled out like it was ripped off, and we know there used to be rivets there becuase there's a row of holes along the edge. You can even see the rivets on the opposite side of the beam, near the bottom. Soemthng had been riveted onto that section of beam and it was pulled out.

It stands to reason that if the collapse caused one "blowout" from the force of the collapse it would necessarily cause other "blowouts". There's one right there.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Hardly the same thing. You cant compare a bent edge of a plate
to a blowout in the center of a column

reply to post by remymartin


ya hum if you search ats fema photographer you will find some pctures that have a strate cut 180 gegrees on like every picture since day one they didnt start cutting the steal beams the first day look at the 45 gegree cut or the 180 one there is alot off this picture from day one almost all the steal beam have a 180 degree cut. On this topic photos alot off them www.abovetopsecret.com...

ya hum if you search ats fema photographer you will find some pctures that have a strate cut 180 gegrees on like every picture since day one they didnt start cutting the steal beams the first day look at the 45 gegree cut or the 180 one there is alot off this picture from day one almost all the steal beam have a 180 degree cut. On this topic photos alot off them

reply to post by knowneedtoknow



This picture is from December - about 3 months after.

Can tell by size of beams - these are the heavy structural beams at base of towers

Also by clothing worn by FDNY men in shot, are wearing overalls with their turnout jacket and helmet.

Overalls were issued to prevent damage to expensive turnout pants

Shot is often misrepresented by truthers as "proof" of thermite, this cropped view which eliminates the workmen in back cutting the beams