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Then who would need the Church...?
And chief among those Sayings in the Gospel of Thomas which clearly demonstrate that the Christian theologians have no real Knowledge of the Teaching of Jesus at all—and, thus, are guilty of, at least, ‘theft by deception’—are the following:
1) Saying #11: “On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two what will you do?”;
which is echoed in Saying #72:
“He turned to his disciples and said to them ‘I am not a divider, am I?’” Commentary: Every esoteric Teaching of either the Eastern or the Western traditions is intensely concerned with the origin of the duality; since the duality is understood as being the origin of division, evil, conflict, violence and bloodshed.
Mark 3
Jesus was indeed called "The SON of God" but never God himself in this gospel.
4) Saying #84: “Jesus said, ‘When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die nor become manifest, how much will you have to bear!’”.
Commentary: The “likeness” or the ‘image’ that Jesus is referring to at the beginning of this Saying is the “likeness” or ‘image’ of the ‘fallen’ consciousness, which consists of an image of a “self” which exists in ‘space’ (originating in the ‘movement’ of self-reflection); an image which is extended in ‘time’ by the postulation of the thought of the ‘thinker’, the ‘mind’, the ‘soul’, etc. “…your images which came into being before you, and which neither die nor become manifest” refers to the violent and chaotic images and archetypes of the ‘unconscious’, the experience of which is referred to as the “individuation process” in Jungian and archetypal psychology (that is, “how much you will have to bear!”).
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by arpgme
Mark 3
Jesus was indeed called "The SON of God" but never God himself in this gospel.
. . . but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
Jesus is saying to his critics that the spirit by which he cast out demons was of God, saying in effect that he had authority over them, including Satan himself, which would be a god-like thing, meaning such a person with that authority would be virtually God.
Mark 11
. . . the chief priests and the scribes and the elders came to Him, 28 and began saying to Him, “By what authority are You doing these things, or who gave You this authority to do these things?”
Jesus refers back to John and asks where his authority came from. If it came from God and it was fulfillment of prophecy, then the one he was announcing as coming was YHWH, and Jesus is identified as the one John spoke of, making Jesus, YHWH.
Mark 12
“David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; so in what sense is He his son?”
Here Jesus explains how the Messianic "Son of David" is actually YHWH.
edit on 21-1-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
27 They arrived again in Jerusalem, and while Jesus was walking in the temple courts, the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders came to him. 28 “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you authority to do this?”
29 Jesus replied, “I will ask you one question. Answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. 30 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or of human origin? Tell me!”
31 They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ 32 But if we say, ‘Of human origin’ …” (They feared the people, for everyone held that John really was a prophet.)
33 So they answered Jesus, “We don’t know.”
Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.”
35 While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David? 36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’[h]
37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?”
The large crowd listened to him with delight.
Again, no where did John answered on the Messiah's behalf.
My core argument is that the prophecy was to have a messenger to go before the Lord to prepare the way. Mark starts out in the fist verse explaining that the prophesied messenger was John the Baptist, and he fulfilled the role of the one to announce the coming of The Lord, otherwise known as YHWH, commonly referred to as, God.
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by jmdewey60
There's a difference between having The Holy Spirit in you and actually BEING God - The Holy Spirit. Doing something BY God or IN THE NAME OF God, is not the same as actually BEING God.
Also, so what David called him Lord. How does that make him God? They also called Moses Lord do you believe that he was God now too?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Well, no, since at this point in the story, John had already been killed.
You are effectively calling all Christians blasphemers because there is in Christianity this doctrine of Trinity, making Jesus, God, except maybe Jehovah's Witnesses who do not call themselves Christians anyway.
so long as what we seek for hurts and harms no one, or is not against the path that our Creator had destined for us. Many a miracle had happened since his appearance on our planet.
Sigh...I guess my efforts may had gone to waste.
Jesus said, "Whoever does not hate father and mother cannot be my disciple, and whoever does not hate brothers and sisters, and carry the cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."
Originally posted by Michael Cecil
“He turned to his disciples and said to them ‘I am not a divider, am I?’”
Originally posted by Michael Cecil
Thomas said to them, ‘If I tell you one of the things which he told me, you will pick up stones and throw them at me; a fire will come out of those stones and burn you up.’”
Jeremiah 7:22-23:
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
King James Version
Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
Thomas is the main Man in my humble opinion! He was the one who brought the real teaching to India an he was excepted very well by the Hindus, even today there are Thomas Churches opposite Hindu Temples in the South of India....I think He was the one who coined the phrase,,,"Know Thyself an youll be Free!"
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