Seperate bathrooms for transvestites? You gotta be kidding me.

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i don't know, dude, if a guy who looks like Angelina j was next to me like that, i couldn't stop laughing and

compliment him on his hair! lol.

and probably say a prayer for the drunk guys who try to pick him up.

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Here is an idea,

Demand private peeing privileges for men!

Why should men have to line up? And compare sizes? I am assuming this, obviously.

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Fooks,

You are giving me more laughs than I have had for years.

Lol and star.

Here is the issue as I see it. A lot of people confuse transvestite with transexual. I think a clear definition of both can answer some of the misunderstanding.

transvestite

n.
A person who dresses and acts in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex.

Someone who dresses in the clothes usually worn by the opposite sex. Transvestites may be bisexual, heterosexual, or homosexual

www.answers.com...

Transexual/Transgender

Transgender is the state of one's "gender identity" (self-identification as woman, man, neither or both) not matching one's "assigned sex" (identification by others as male, female or intersex based on physical/genetic sex). "Transgender" does not imply any specific form of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, or asexual; some may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable to them. The precise definition for transgender remains in flux, but includes:

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, while many people will tell, and research can reveal, transvestites are quite typically straight, heterosexual. Though they *can* be homosexual or bisexual. Many transvestite MEN are straight, married, and have children, Some people may choose to call them "cross dressers" or "drag queens".

Some people have asked very good questions such as:

Do you want a 50 year old man to be in the bathroom with your daughter?

I think this is a legitimate question and concern, because only is making assumptions that all cross dressers are gay or that "they are just going in there for the same thing".

Obviously, defending that argument won't hold water, as transvestites have committed rape and child molestation.

To clearly define any person as any one way, one would have to ask.

Most certainly by the same token, gay men and women use their gender-related restrooms all the time, and child molesters can be male or female.

However, when you start allowing cross dressing men into womens' restrooms, you are potentially increasing the *risk* that their intentions maynot be simply as wholesome as going to the bathroom.

Also, I think you could include people that are really not cross dressers that go into the womens restrooms for nefarious reasons, simply using the situation to access victims and dressing in drag to allow them greater access.

Simply put, if I went into a womans restroom, and saw a man in drag, I would leave. It is not that I know of he wishes to be a woman, or he is a straight man that simply enjoys dressing like one, but IMO that's not the point. I do not know his intent, nor do I care to ask - I certainly wouldn't believe any answer I got anyway.

As for my children, when they were young, perhaps till the age of 15 or so, both my husband and myself always escorted them to the restroom. Many public places do not make me feel comfortable enough to have a child in a vulnerable position.

My only exception would be if it was one commode in a locked room, but I always taught my children to look into the room before they walked in and locked the door, and generally I was close outside.

I do not consider for a moment that I am any type of bigot or otherwise, and I see no problem in reducing the risks the we face in daily life. People are free to dress how they want, act how they want, and live how they want, but they do not have the right to shove it down my throat.

Also, let me add that some people "enjoy" watching women urinate or defecate, they find it sexually stimulating.

Some of the replies in this thread almost make it seem like I should run in and clap and be happy some oddball has taken up residence in the opposite sex bathroom. Perhaps next, I should be judged poorly if I do not invite them to dinner?

How about people just man up and deal with potty time in a mature manner? Lets just have one bathroom, why not.

Originally posted by ghaleon12
How about people just man up and deal with potty time in a mature manner? Lets just have one bathroom, why not.

That may work in an ideal world but as things stand today, there are to many sickos, rapists and child molestors out there to let everyone use the same restroom without putting some people in danger.

At least with same-sex restrooms, if you peek at the person next to you, you're not gonna see anything that you can't see by looking in a mirror.

Originally posted by ghaleon12
How about people just man up and deal with potty time in a mature manner? Lets just have one bathroom, why not.

When I was a young girl, I believe I was 9 at the time, I went to visit my sister who was in the Navy. She was based in Jacksonville, Florida.

We were meeting for lunch, and I had to go to the bathroom. I was directed to a building outside the mess hall, and told that was the bathroom. I went in and could not lock the door. There was a commode and a urinal. While I was doing what I needed to do, a grown man opened the door and walked in and proceeded to use the urinal.

I was not only aghast, but felt offended that he was so presumptuous.

Now, understandably, the way men are raised, this may be resonable to a male, or perhaps some, but it is not reasonable to most women, and IMO, not reasonable for children.

Womens restrooms, for the most part, tend to be very different from mens, as we do not expose ourselves to other people. I think men, by culture, are much more used to this.

I would hope you could understand the difference.

How 'bout a public bathroom for everyone to use, and a one-person private bathroom for those people who really feel they need privacy. ya right!!

women would complain if they're singled out OR if they have to share... let's just have like 6+ bathrooms short men, tall men, tranvestite, child, fat women, skinny women...

Originally posted by FortAnthem
If the transvestites get their way, it will open the door for perverts to dress up as women to go into the Ladies room for a peek (or worse).

THAT door is WIDE OPEN, dude!

That can happen now! A man can dress as a woman and go into the women's restroom. This issue has nothing to do with that.

Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
They can protest it all they want but they are wrong to expect others to respect their denial and twisted perception on sexuality.

Not unlike your denial and twisted perception of the difference between gender and sexuality.

The two are not connected.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Not a transvestite expert per se, but simple logic dictates that one would need at least two more restrooms ... one for each reversal type. You throw pre/post-op variations into the mix and combine them with the previous, the permutations are a plenty.

Transvestites don't get operations. They wear the clothes of the opposite gender or cross-dress.

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Urinal or Toilet ! That is the Question !

Unisex Bathrooms Considered "Safe" by LGBT Community

"Someone whose gender is ambiguous won't be harassed," she said.

I like the idea of Unisex bathrooms for those who feel 'wrong' in a normal public bathroom. I'm not saying public places should all have to accommodate, but I don't see any reason that new buildings couldn't have all three. Mens, Women's and Unisex.

Cmon, really? This is what our "superiors" are arguing over now? I really am at a loss for words. /Facepalm

I'd give the transvestites in Argentina their own bathrooms.

the report found that 62 percent died of HIV/AIDS, 17 percent were murdered, and the rest committed suicide, were killed in traffic accidents, or were the victims of drug overdose, illnesses or medical malpractice in cosmetic surgery carried out in unhygienic conditions. Nearly 70 percent had died between the ages of 22 and 41.

upsidedownworld.org...

Originally posted by Brood

Originally posted by AzoriaCorp

Most people who are married and with children WILL care.

Do you really think that your opinions on what genders your children have to look at while they go to the bathroom overrides a human beings natural right to go to the bathroom? Please, use your head, Dad.

Yes, I do have a problem with that. A human being does NOT have a right to trample on the rights of others to not be subjected to other peoples abnormalities and personal lifestyle preferences.

I dont like the idea that a male who THINKS he's a female whipping out his manhood in front of my wife or daughter if or whenever he pleases. It goes the same the other way.

Its a travesty that this is even a debate. Its not a matter of opinion. Its a matter of what is right. If you have a penis, dress or no dress, you go in the mens room. The same for ovaries. You go in the womens room.

Simple as that.

i think selecting a bathroom to use, should depend on if one has an 'innie' or an 'outie' belly botton

clothing should not be the deciding factor... with all the bio-metric apparati thjats out there a belly button scanner is not too outrageous a proposition (and the authorities would have the benefit of discovering hidden firearms & pepper spray/tasers on public restroom users) in all sorts of businesses..,

who says i'm not being serious

This is kind of a touchy subject for me due to a personal experience. I was in New Orleans for a Mardi Gras, and went into a gay bar with a gay male friend of mine. I went to the bathroom, and I was hurt in there.
I just went to the ladies room.

I was pushed against the wall, had my feet repeated stepped on, and a girl reached out, I thought to keep me from falling, but rather snatched me up by the hair. I didn't know what hit me, because everytime something happened the person would say "oh, excuse me, I'm so sorry".

I came out of the bathroom rather dazed, and sat beside my friend, who asked what had happened. I was literally stunned, and said "those girls in the bathroom are so mean". He quickly said "I have to get you out of here now, and he quickly guided me out the door. It never dawned on me. When we got outside he said "those weren't girls. They were just pissed because there is a "real girl" in here, and they want you out."

Anyway, a couple of drinks in another bar and I was over it. Kinda funny really. But I don't go there anymore.
It didn't change my attitude about anything. Mean people come in all shapes, sizes and genders. My friend, who was/is also gay, was my protector that night, and still is.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
This is kind of a touchy subject for me due to a personal experience. I was in New Orleans for a Mardi Gras, and went into a gay bar with a gay male friend of mine. I went to the bathroom, and I was hurt in there.
I just went to the ladies room.

I was pushed against the wall, had my feet repeated stepped on, and a girl reached out, I thought to keep me from falling, but rather snatched me up by the hair. I didn't know what hit me, because everytime something happened the person would say "oh, excuse me, I'm so sorry".

I came out of the bathroom rather dazed, and sat beside my friend, who asked what had happened. I was literally stunned, and said "those girls in the bathroom are so mean". He quickly said "I have to get you out of here now, and he quickly guided me out the door. It never dawned on me. When we got outside he said "those weren't girls. They were just pissed because there is a "real girl" in here, and they want you out."

Anyway, a couple of drinks in another bar and I was over it. Kinda funny really. But I don't go there anymore.
It didn't change my attitude about anything. Mean people come in all shapes, sizes and genders. My friend, who was/is also gay, was my protector that night, and still is.

This is one of the major concerns of this argument. The fact that your assailants were gay is irrelevant. The arguement is whether transexuals should have their own bathroom. IF this gay bar had followed the proper rules of separating the appropriate sexes for the appropriate bathroom you may have avoided this assault.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
This is kind of a touchy subject for me due to a personal experience. I was in New Orleans for a Mardi Gras, and went into a gay bar with a gay male friend of mine. I went to the bathroom, and I was hurt in there.
I just went to the ladies room.

I was pushed against the wall, had my feet repeated stepped on, and a girl reached out, I thought to keep me from falling, but rather snatched me up by the hair. I didn't know what hit me, because everytime something happened the person would say "oh, excuse me, I'm so sorry".

I came out of the bathroom rather dazed, and sat beside my friend, who asked what had happened. I was literally stunned, and said "those girls in the bathroom are so mean". He quickly said "I have to get you out of here now, and he quickly guided me out the door. It never dawned on me. When we got outside he said "those weren't girls. They were just pissed because there is a "real girl" in here, and they want you out."

Anyway, a couple of drinks in another bar and I was over it. Kinda funny really. But I don't go there anymore.
It didn't change my attitude about anything. Mean people come in all shapes, siz
es and genders. My friend, who was/is also gay, was my protector that night, and still is.

You see your story is what makes me laugh at humanity so hard. I swear sometimes I wonder are we here for comic relief?