Quran burning on again? Pastor says maybe

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by BingeBob

 

Ow the constitution is a living thing? Tell me, does it walk? Does it speak? Eat? Sleep? Breathe? ANYTHING? No. So it is by definition not living. I would place a great deal of 'money' that if the creators of said consitution were around they would slap you silly. Life is what you should cherish, not paper, not laws. If anything laws and contitutions have come forth from the appreciation of life. And the very beginning was in Iran, then known as Persia, where Cyrus the Great inscribed the first human rights in his famous cilinder. Now a Muslim nation because of Arab conquest.

Don't even speak about GOD GIVEN RIGHTS, because you are so obviously ignorant it hurts. You don't know the first thing about God except for the fact that he's beyond imagination. Or are you willing to claim that God himself came down from the heavens and signed that piece of paper with: "Given by God".

You people are more dense than I thought.

Want to talk about density and ignorance...man you really have to get an education...You literally have no grasp of anything im saying...

Laws are the strands that hold our society together. They protect us from being slaves. The constitution is the declaration of the laws of the land so they are plain to see to anyone who can read.

"God Given" does not imply that God flew down here on a magestic steed and signed a paper. It means that all men have rights that a government (or a man) cannot restrict or take away.

If the creators of the original constitution were around today, they probably wouldnt slap me silly because theyd be too tired from slapping alot of other people silly. I believe that their vision for this nation is what made it great to begin with. Its the intrusion of progressive ideaology that has led to the downfall of our empire

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!


Ah , no , you misunderstand. I dont give a crap about what the Muslims are doing. Guess why ? Its THIER problem. I believe in Jesus, and this pastor, this false prophet, this piece of walking garbage, is giving my God a crap name by association. Thats why I want to stamp on his neck till the light in his eyes goes out.
Like I say, muslims are not my problem, they deal with thier own affairs for the most part. Its only the select few nutters you need to worry about in any faith anyway... but Pastor Jones is crapping on my backyard so to speak, and that makes me understandably angry.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Smiler74

 

As a sign of victory. Victory for who? Muslims are killed and discriminated against each day. I see no victory for the Muslims.

Yeah? So are white people and black people and asian people and jews and christians.

The victory wasnt for the run of the mill muslim...It was a victory for the radical islamic militants and their ideaology.

Originally posted by Mr Mask


Wish I had the guy's phone number so I could tell him what a loser he is being in the eyes of his lord.

Oh well...

352-371-2487. Oops, looks like the relevant information is a one line post so you're not entitled to it.

Oh, wait a minute - Area Code three five two, three seven one two four eight seven. Is that better?

Yeah I'm afraid this Koran burning stunt is going to take place. It doesnt matter if its in Florida, Kansas or Baja CA., the Muslim world is infuriated and there will be blowback. I'd like to see or hear a "moderates" reaction to the planned burning. What kind of reaction are they having?

As far as the Mosque location, The first time a New Yorker sees an Arab taking pictures with his thumbs up or a victory pose you can gurantee trouble.. Much like some Japanese tourist I've seen at the USS Arizona flashing the thumbs up while being photographed. This victorious battleground of the enemy is the real issue with people in N.Y., it's now sacred ground. Assuming of course that you believe the OS, like the majority of Americans do.

well hes not going to do it after all

but even thats not good enough

"In an Eid message, President Karzai said: "We have heard that in the US, a pastor has decided to insult Korans. Now although we have heard that they are not doing this, we tell them they should not even think of it."

so once again Muslims are tellings us what we can and cant think so it pleases their religion

www.bbc.co.uk...

I dont beleive and never will and I will comment on whatever i like !

bunch of nutters, worse than the pastor

reply to post by The Undertaker



Agree.


And make no mistake...The reason this ground is "hallowed" is because it is a cemetary. Alot of remains were never recovered.

The destruction of all holy symbols have been controversial. And this is no more of a controversy than the burning of a cross. The question must be asked as to what the purpose of doing such is, depending on why should determine as to what the response is going to be.
If it is as a protest against the Islamic religion, and to everything that has been printed, then it is permissible under the law, as it is considered protected under the grounds of the First Admendment and considered a free speech.
But if it is to offend and incite fear and violence, then the government can come in and stop him from doing such, using the supreme court case of: Virginia V. Black, 2003. In that case it was determined that the burning of a cross ontop of a hill, was an act of speech, however the act of doing such in a public venue would cause fear and violence in that area, and thus was not protected by the freedom of speech and could be restricted.
So there you have it, the question as to why burn the Quar'an and the venue in which it is to be done, needs to be further explained. If it is on private property, where the general public would not be in full view of such, then it would be legal. To further more if they were to simply tear up and destroy as an act of protest, also is permissible under the protection of the law. However, to do such, with the intention of intimidating and causing one to fear is not permissible.
But based off of the reaction of those in the islamic world, I would say that there is no fear, and no intimidation that could be reacted to, and thus this can not be the case.
I do believe that all of the politicians who have spoken out in this case, should not have gotten involved as this has given the opinion to the general population that they are in support of those who follow the islamic faith, but not for those who live here in the country, rather to those from around the world, yielding to them, once again, giving the appearence that foriegn nations are dictating to the country what our policies should and should not be.

in the BBC article i posted above, this makes me laugh the most

"The imam of the centre, Feisal Abdul Rauf, told ABC News he remained opposed to relocating it, in case it boosted extremism by giving the impression that Islam was "under attack in America"."

Islam under attack for US citizens wanting to relocate the Mosque from a site where Muslims killed thousands of innocent people in 1 day ??

it should be the other way round mate

how dare he say that !

Originally posted by BingeBob
reply to post by The Undertaker

 

And make no mistake...The reason this ground is "hallowed" is because it is a cemetary. Alot of remains were never recovered.

Hallowed ground with Tshirt shops, porn stores, Starbucks, McD, Kiosks selling 911 trinkets, etc to all the tourist coming to ground zero. Hallowed Ground or an opportunity for America to really express the American dream....
The free enterprise system.

Even if the pastor decides to burn the Quran it will just be a circus media event, an extension of what it is now.

It's sad to watch an entire country slide into schizophrenia, dementia and foolishness...

reply to post by whaaa


All those places were there prior to 9/11/01 or are mobile carts.

Its like allowing a rapist out of jail early for good behavior and letting him build a nice house right next to the victims...

reply to post by KILL_DOGG


It's on.... it's off...... it's on..... it's off..... it's on ...... maybe????



Seriously hasnt there been burning of Flags before in the streets, so why not a book? Is this not the same prinicple?

Ok, it will most likely inflame the Muslims whether they are moderate or radical but hasnt flag burning done the same to people of other faiths or even people who are Agnostic or Atheist? Why do we have to put up with either side? We have nothing to do with it....

Originally posted by BingeBob
reply to post by whaaa

 

All those places were there prior to 9/11/01 or are mobile carts.

Its like allowing a rapist out of jail early for good behavior and letting him build a nice house right next to the victims...

The flaw in your analogy, though, is that the people being penalized are INNOCENT. They're Americans whose only "crime" is being Muslim. How many of them participated in the attacks 9 years ago? * NONE * What you're proposing is penalizing fellow Americans for their religious beliefs.

While I support the First Amendment, sometimes I think we'd all be best off if we simply outlawed ALL religions and religious ideologies. Go ahead and burn the Quran.... while the fire's still burning we should throw in copies of other religious texts as well, like the bible.

wah wah wah . get over yourselves its a book written by a man. take your time learn how to read your holy book and maybe you will come with a better understanding. the problem isn't the bible or the quran or the torah its the turds who tell their followers that god or allah says todo violence in his name. if some idiot wants to burn one of well its his constitutional right if worlds muslims don't like it too bad

reply to post by BingeBob


Sigh.

Laws are there to protect you from being slaves? Define slave. Then think again. You are as ignorant of the world as you are dense. Just don't go around saying I need an education when you need to get a reality check.

As for that other guy with the blue-white avatar.

It is as if you read my post, discard the message, and plant whatever it is you want to read.

I never said people murdering others for books was something I condone. On the contrary. You are the people condoning it by making it a big issue. I hope your valued intellect will let you grasp this. You are being played, front to back from birth on and you STILL deny the truth.

Oh and for the genius who said that Muslims killed thousands of people that day.

What are you? A government plant? Stuck in the past? Get over it already, it wasn't a unified Muslim attack.
According to your logic;
People from ALL over the globe should forbid Christians to build anything anywhere, because white Christian westerners raped and pillaged most of the globe in the past centuries?

Or are western Christians allowed to build everywhere because they conquered the world 'fair and square'?

Quid pro Quo Hypocrites, quid pro quo.

reply to post by ~Vixen~


Uhhh...What?

Whos being penalized? I say that noone has a legal foot to stand on to say they cant build there. I cant say that they cant...I can say though that it is in poor taste and all youre doing making more people dislike you.

Why was our government officials falling over themselves to come out and say that the muslims are protected by the 1st amendment to build a mosque near ground zero and then they demonize a white citizen for exercising the same rights?

reply to post by Zamini


O so they werent muslims? Wow i must have been mistaken. So sorry to bother you with my opinion. Move along people nothing to see here.

MOTF!

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by BingeBob

 

Sigh.

Laws are there to protect you from being slaves? Define slave. Then think again. You are as ignorant of the world as you are dense. Just don't go around saying I need an education when you need to get a reality check.

You can huff and puff all you want but you still look like a fool when you pick something out of a paragraph about something else and ask stupid questions about it...

I already said that the founders would be busy slapping alot of people silly etc etc

I dislike the way my country has been being run into the ground. All i want is to be left alone to prosper or fail on my own accord. My US constitution is supposed to guaruntee my right to do that.

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!


They were human. Whatever else you make of it is up to you. Whatever else they thought they were is up to them.

You have to understand that we, as a society on earth, create these terms and things that we are, only so that we don't need to point fingers at another human being but a thing, a religion, an action.

Makes it easier for war. Makes it easier to dominate minds. Makes a lot of things easier. But when you say that they weren't muslim but human....ooooh....you've crossed the line.

The fact that they were muslim matters to people is telling of said people. Good luck figuring that one out

reply to post by BingeBob


And what I am trying to tell you is that you shouldn't need a piece of paper to let you do anything. That is illusion, not reality. If it were reality it would go for everyone, yet, it does not. Hence it is an illusion. You can huff and puff all your life and you won't know the trick to the illusion if you keep getting fooled by it.

We all want to belong to something right?

"Here, you can belong to America. This paper tells you what is and isn't, don't let your eyes fool you, the law is the same for everyone, even if it is not."

I hope one day you will value life more than a piece of paper that seemingly commands people around. What a day that would be. Aaaah, wishful thinking.